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Weltering in Blood



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: Blod Eld Död & Sweden Reply with quote

There is no real "point" to this post, it's just more of an observation. You often read on Metal forums people wondering why places like Sweden have such thriving Metal scenes and places like the UK (for one) do not. I was reading this Blod Eld Död book last night (great book, should translate to English!) and you begin to understand why.

Example. In the chapters about Shining (more Niklas) and Watain you start to see huge differences between Sweden and say the UK. I'm half Swedish, half Jock, grew up in Glasgow, moved to Sweden a few years ago. In this book they're talking about going to school and growing up. Erik (I think) mentions Dave Leperd crom Crash Diet going to school in Leporard spandex and how crazy he was. If you turned up to my school in spandex you'd have been battered after they'd spent a few mins laughing and calling you a homo. Whereas here it is just "crazy and fun".

I once tried walking through my estate in tight jeans, bullet belt and denim vest. Cars were slowing down, with grown men inside, to verbally abuse me Laughing

There's other examples in there, but suffice to say: had Niklas Kvarforth or Watain grown up where I'd have grown up - all things being equal - they'd have been walking around with constant Glasgow sunglasses.

Even the talking about Satan and the whole being evil thing almost gives you some cool points in school here. Whereas back home? Who'd be laughed at. Then battered for being a poof. Laughing

The other variable I've noticed is my girlfriends old magazine collection from the 1980's. Okej Magazine was a big deal there, seems like every kid and his dog was reading it. Right next to Madonna there's W.A.S.P. features, Iron Maiden, Slayer etc. All this shit was 'normal' there while back home we were still getting called homos by grown up strangers for having long hair. I think anywhere outside of London (which, lets face it, is about as British as icehockey), this sort of attitude was and probably still is common place.

Stifling conservatism of some countries versus the almost incomprehensible liberalism of others?

Was it any different in other European countries?

*rant over*


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atleast in Stockholm young bands got benefits from city to buy equipments and helped them to get rehearsal places. Must be some "support youngsters hobbies and get them out from streets" -program? So thatswhy there came so many bands in in early days of death metal fex..

Maybe after ABBA swedish goverment noticed that investing in musick isnt bad thing afterall? And seems like it worked quite well, just check what they procuded from death metal to eurodisco
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valgrinder wrote:
Atleast in Stockholm young bands got benefits from city to buy equipments and helped them to get rehearsal places. Must be some "support youngsters hobbies and get them out from streets" -program? So thatswhy there came so many bands in in early days of death metal fex..

Maybe after ABBA swedish goverment noticed that investing in musick isnt bad thing afterall? And seems like it worked quite well, just check what they procuded from death metal to eurodisco


I've only ever seen one rehearsal room complex and it was massive, modern and fully equipped with probably 100 bands there. Every form of music you could think of. When I try to compare and contrast that to some of the run down, damp, manky rehearsal spaces in Glasgow, Edinburgh or even down in Liverpool durning my student days it makes me laugh. This was all Kommun money, so it obviously would vary from place to place, but still. All these individual variables add up to something.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have had bad attitudes from the lovely people of the UK regarding my dress sense, though I no longer go out in bullet belts or patched denim and have cut off my hair. I am guilty of looking like a 'normal'. Haha.

Anyway, a few years ago I did use to go out and about like that and the worst I got was people challenging me to fights or wanting to beat me up for wearing patched denim and having long hair. Even the so-called metalheads used to ask me why I listened to 'old music' and didn't listen to 'something more fashionable' (such as Slipknot for example), which defeated the point of being 'alternative' (their words, not mine) to me, or whatever the hell you want to call it. I think there may be more of that in the UK from what I can remember, though these days it goes over my head as the closest to the image I go is wearing a leather jacket and a t-shirt.

But a lot of people of the younger generation are moving to London or Bristol it seems as they do have a thriving art scene and seem more appreciative of difference as a rule.

And for the record, I think the underground UK metal scene is actually pretty healthy and diverse right now. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding London's part in the UK and Metal from a practical point of view, for a city of 10-15 million people you'd expect to see a few more bands of note than there are currently.

There are loads of decent rehearsal places but to rehearse 3 times a week, 3 hours a time would cost a band £60-120 per month. Lock-up rooms are extremely hard to come by due to property prices here being through the roof. A full-time lock-up room with a control room in a Zone 4 industrial complex is £800 p/m.

There's perhaps more of a pub/bar culture here so young people will spend more spare time/cash socialising in public places than devoting it to writing music.

In line with the original post, there are plenty of other scenes thriving in London and other parts of the UK, just not the type of Metal appealing to the average NWN forum poster.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valgrinder wrote:
Atleast in Stockholm young bands got benefits from city to buy equipments and helped them to get rehearsal places. Must be some "support youngsters hobbies and get them out from streets" -program? So thatswhy there came so many bands in in early days of death metal fex..


yep, I think thats the main point. interesting that a subculture that focuses on being different to the average and being in opposition to law and order could only prosper in such a way due to financial help / social programms of the state, of "those above" ...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think "only" is a bit of an exaggeration.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krakentorso wrote:
interesting that a subculture that focuses on being different to the average and being in opposition to law and order could only prosper in such a way due to financial help / social programms of the state, of "those above" ...


Absolutely. Think of a band like Hellhammer, that was also from a wealthy country, but with no support at all from society and/or state.

But: A world without Bathory?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCF wrote:
I think "only" is a bit of an exaggeration.


you're right. I should have bolded "in such a way".
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molestor wrote:

In line with the original post, there are plenty of other scenes thriving in London and other parts of the UK, just not the type of Metal appealing to the average NWN forum poster.


London is definetly the exception. Though that place is almost foreign to most British people anyway, even I feel like an alien there Laughing

I think with regards the whole 'lifestyle' aspect, take the Black Metal Satanic thing for example. In Sweden that seems to have some degree of positive otherness about it, almost cool (to people of a certain age group) whereas in Glasgow you'd have been considered a retard.

Is it just the UK? British cynicism?

There is a bit of the Ricky Gervais joke too about how American kids are told they can be president and British kids are told they should be realistic and go into Dads factory Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same hostility here, but I find it positive. Would be strange if people looked at you and smiled widely and friendly. Fuck them.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

COME....TO......AUSTRALIA.

Like that Monty Python bit...first rule is no poofters. Most of the AUS/NZ maniacs come from backwater towns, and you better believe you'll get shit if you rock up looking like Vince Neil in some outback mining/logging/cattle joint.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Blod Eld Död & Sweden Reply with quote

Weltering in Blood wrote:
There is no real "point" to this post, it's just more of an observation. You often read on Metal forums people wondering why places like Sweden have such thriving Metal scenes and places like the UK (for one) do not. I was reading this Blod Eld Död book last night (great book, should translate to English!) and you begin to understand why.

Example. In the chapters about Shining (more Niklas) and Watain you start to see huge differences between Sweden and say the UK. I'm half Swedish, half Jock, grew up in Glasgow, moved to Sweden a few years ago. In this book they're talking about going to school and growing up. Erik (I think) mentions Dave Leperd crom Crash Diet going to school in Leporard spandex and how crazy he was. If you turned up to my school in spandex you'd have been battered after they'd spent a few mins laughing and calling you a homo. Whereas here it is just "crazy and fun".

I once tried walking through my estate in tight jeans, bullet belt and denim vest. Cars were slowing down, with grown men inside, to verbally abuse me Laughing

There's other examples in there, but suffice to say: had Niklas Kvarforth or Watain grown up where I'd have grown up - all things being equal - they'd have been walking around with constant Glasgow sunglasses.

Even the talking about Satan and the whole being evil thing almost gives you some cool points in school here. Whereas back home? Who'd be laughed at. Then battered for being a puff. Laughing

The other variable I've noticed is my girlfriends old magazine collection from the 1980's. Okej Magazine was a big deal there, seems like every kid and his dog was reading it. Right next to Madonna there's W.A.S.P. features, Iron Maiden, Slayer etc. All this shit was 'normal' there while back home we were still getting called homos by grown up strangers for having long hair. I think anywhere outside of London (which, lets face it, is about as British as icehockey), this sort of attitude was and probably still is common place.

Stifling conservatism of some countries versus the almost incomprehensible liberalism of others?

Was it any different in other European countries?

*rant over*

In the Netherlands people find it strange to dress metal, but in Norway it was a different thing. It was somewhat normal to them, so I guess it depends on the location.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started reading that book. Highly entertaining.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, sounds like a real interesting read. Too bad it's not in English.
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