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snaps666



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Magazine prices... Reply with quote

Working on a project here, but need to do some research ...

So,
How much are people willing to pay for a underground mag. b/w, about 40 pages, 10-15 interviews, including a pro-printed official MC ?

Including postage, which is the main problem as it's fucking expensive from Denmark!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Magazine prices... Reply with quote

snaps666 wrote:
Working on a project here, but need to do some research ...

So,
How much are people willing to pay for a underground mag. b/w, about 40 pages, 10-15 interviews, including a pro-printed official MC ?

Including postage, which is the main problem as it's fucking expensive from Denmark!!!


If pages will be A4 format then 6-7 eur will be ok I think for zine and tape. Not sure how much cost xero in Denmark.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Magazine prices... Reply with quote

Black_Fire wrote:


If pages will be A4 format then 6-7 eur will be ok I think for zine and tape. Not sure how much cost xero in Denmark.


Hmm.. .Then this project is dead. Postage within EU for 1 mag (A5) and 1 tape is 5 euro!

It's not really possible to make a pro printed tape and a mag for 1-2 euro.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for zine samplers i think cd-r works better, less weight and much cheaper to make.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not going to be a sampler, but an official release by a band.

CDr is crap, only MP3 is worse...

Besides, postage would be the same if it was CDr.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small mags are 5$ and demo MCs 4$ in the NWN store... That's about 7 euro without postage.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with a CDr in this case, print some sleeves for them, like the promo Proselytism recs did.

The idea of sitting down with a drink and listening to a sampler of the bands whilst reading about them in your zine sounds good, assuming the bands are interesting.

As for price, for me it depends on the content. Here 'zines are supposed to be $5, for the standard toilet-reading; but lately overseas mags have been in the 8 - 10 euro mark. I'd pay a high price if the mag contained a band I am really keen to hear from, or some interesting articles.

EDIT: As an official release then definitely go with tape, but paired with a 'zine might be a $$$ issue. CDr to me is fine for promo, but official releases done this way are indeed shit.

How much was snakepit 'zine, with the 7"?? You'd have to match this price, I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for you input.

I guess I could compare somewhat with Snakepit, although this mag is not anywhere as big or informative. Also people are more likely to pay more for a well known mag, than a new one.

I don't thinks it's possible to make this cheaper than 10-12 euro incl. postage (world wide, a litle cheaper within EU), without loosing money.

Anyway, just noticed more than 130 people have read this thread, but almost no one replied, guess it's not that good an idea then Laughing

But we'll do this anyway, already got half of it done, and the deal with the MC - so no way back now...

By the way, what's the normal print run for a small underground mag?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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without loosing money.


that is probably the key-word. you have to calculate well, and should expect to lose money.

prices for snakepit etc. can be kept small, because they have a run of 1000 copies, ads and a "fan-base".

I hardly would pay 12 euro for a new zine which I do not know. it whether has to be simply killer (layout, bands, questions, paper) or the tape has to be from a band which I LOVE. especially for me it makes no sense to pay more for a zine that only consists of "another disturbing product" (let me say of 1000 reviews I have written there was a maximum of 90 good releases). I support tapes and like them a lot, but I would rather close a myspace page of the band immediately than to keep the tape which I do not like at all at home)...

to xerox a zine always is more expensive than a pro printed one, but you can copy the issues piece by piece and do not need a big amount of money to start with the zine...

for 40 pages I would pay maximum 2-4 euro directly from the editor (no matter if pro printed or xeroxed, without postage) and 5 euro from distributor (which would be already too much for me), a tape 2-3 euro (newcomer, even if I would prefer to get it for free as kind of promotion) or up to 5-7 euro if it is well-done and from a band I really like. postage is the biggest killer. you should try to get rates from the post. maybe there is a possibility to send it special marked "press shipment" which is sometimes half less than the normal price.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as last chance, look for some distributors in other countries
and send them inlets+master cdr.

so you have not such postage rates and the distributor can
made the tapes...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mz412 wrote:
as last chance, look for some distributors in other countries
and send them inlets+master cdr.

so you have not such postage rates and the distributor can
made the tapes...


that is the worst you can do. since so many years I have plenty of covers, stickers for the tape and master cdr of toxic holocaust, sabbat, kozmik krypt etc. pp. here, but didn't found the time to record them to a tape. nowadays I would refuse to accept such, because I wouldn't have the time...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can send me the stuff if you like Cool

i know several smaller labels who make such or are
willing to make it. mostly newer labels with young
enthusiastic's would make it for sure.
your absolute right that bigger labels like undercover,
no colours or such wouldn't have the time or the
interest in doing it Wink

beside, you have never time Laughing

edit:

i thought about schwärze productions, genickschuss,
terrordrone or sti...in this rate...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mz412 wrote:
you can send me the stuff if you like Cool

i know several smaller labels who make such or are
willing to make it. mostly newer labels with young
enthusiastic's would make it for sure.
your absolute right that bigger labels like undercover,
no colours or such wouldn't have the time or the
interest in doing it Wink

beside, you have never time Laughing

edit:

i thought about schwärze productions, genickschuss,
terrordrone or sti...in this rate...


- hehe, I will think about it

- I am enthusiastic as well, but I can understand what you mean. and you are right

- yes, time is soooo fukkin' little since the past months and it annoys me. luckily I have some minutes here between my emails to write stupid opinions down, haha...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mz412 wrote:
as last chance, look for some distributors in other countries
and send them inlets+master cdr.

so you have not such postage rates and the distributor can
made the tapes...


Good idea, but not for this projekt. As we want to make a more pro tape.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, then its useless of course ...
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