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Be a victor or be a victim.
Dominate
23%
 23%  [ 16 ]
Where The Slime Live
30%
 30%  [ 21 ]
Eyes To See, Ears To Hear
7%
 7%  [ 5 ]
Nothing But Fear
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Dawn Of The Angry
13%
 13%  [ 9 ]
This Means War
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Caesar's Palace
10%
 10%  [ 7 ]
Inquisition (Burn With Me)
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
Hatework
11%
 11%  [ 8 ]
The instrumentals
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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Frozen



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:14 am    Post subject: Domination Reply with quote

I've always loved Domination for it's industrial strength production and militant eso-fascism(?). It seems to belong to a sphere of it's own, yet so many lines can be drawn to later classics like The Inexorable by Angelcorpse. It's controversial nature lied not in it's sound and execution. The lyrics were also a hot topic of debate. Was Where The Slime Live really about the holocaust? Why is the main riff in Caesar's Palace the same as the one in Blessed Are The Sick when played backwards? Were both songs a reference to Nero, or a vague homage to ruling class of the third reich? We'll probably never know and that's the beauty of it. Domination was also the album where Morbid Angel achieved their (to my mind) ultimate lineup. It was all new material from back to front, including a handful of songs written by the young Eric Rutan, with Hatework remaining his shining moment. It wouldn't be a Morbid Angel without some wacky input from Trey either, so let's not forget the strange reference to Robotech in the solo bridge of the aforementioned Where The Slime Live. That and the Quake'ish artwork should keep the inner nerd more than satisfied. He would later dismiss this album in what I think was an attempt to prove that he could be more Morbid Angel than Morbid Angel with Vincent. It's sad because it tarnished the legacy of an album that was loved by most at the time. It was the biggest seller of the band -at least initially. To that I can only say; "I feel the shameless urge that we must restore, our former king to his rightful throne" - David Vincent '95 Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this album! David Vincent growl like a lion, Trey and Erik inspired like no one, Pete a volcano under the drums!

Voted for 'Dominate' (Be a Victor or be victim) with 'Where The Slime Live' soon closely.

After this, Trey's embrace his strange "Spirit against Flesh" theory Rolling Eyes and all goes to the bitches...

No future for Morbid Angel without David Vincent it had to be written or must write.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: Domination Reply with quote

Frozen wrote:
I've always loved Domination for it's industrial strength production and militant eso-fascism(?). It seems to belong to a sphere of it's own, yet so many lines can be drawn to later classics like The Inexorable by Angelcorpse. It's controversial nature lied not in it's sound and execution. The lyrics were also a hot topic of debate. Was Where The Slime Live really about the holocaust? Why is the main riff in Caesar's Palace the same as the one in Blessed Are The Sick when played backwards? Were both songs a reference to Nero, or a vague homage to ruling class of the third reich? We'll probably never know and that's the beauty of it. Domination was also the album where Morbid Angel achieved their (to my mind) ultimate lineup. It was all new material from back to front, including a handful of songs written by the young Eric Rutan, with Hatework remaining his shining moment. It wouldn't be a Morbid Angel without some wacky input from Trey either, so let's not forget the strange reference to Robotech in the solo bridge of the aforementioned Where The Slime Live. That and the Quake'ish artwork should keep the inner nerd more than satisfied. He would later dismiss this album in what I think was an attempt to prove that he could be more Morbid Angel than Morbid Angel with Vincent. It's sad because it tarnished the legacy of an album that was loved by most at the time. It was the biggest seller of the band -at least initially. To that I can only say; "I feel the shameless urge that we must restore, our former king to his rightful throne" - David Vincent '95 Wink



Very nice description.Philosophical Nietzsche-an elitistic occult lyrical approach.
Industrial vibes indeed as well.
Vincent's performance flawless as the previous ones.
2-3 songs are among their best of their discography.
But this album as a successor of the mighty/godly Covenant is unequal.
Phenomenal thing is,all first 4 albums are masterpieces(OK,Domination is a great album ,not masterpiece) and all of them are totally different one from other.
Vincent's last great album shows his decline today...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's my favourite one of the whole bunch after AoM/AoD.

I'd say "Where the slime live". Coffin Texts would do an awesome work on that one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawn Of the Angry

The epitome of Death Metal grooviness. The opening riff is a monstrous neckbreaker. The industrial "clangs" and then mandatory headbang. Irresistible


Would like to know more about that "Robotech" reference in the solo of Where the Slime Live. Are you referring to that repetitve high-pitched note? If so: killer shit, love that surreal thing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weak aside - no place for this album, their other works leaves this behind.

Only 2 tracks on this album I can tolerate, the rest through attrition fall...

Dominate, This means war!

Unless you taste it you could never know...

Behold! I crusader no retreat!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Domination Reply with quote

speedevilucifer wrote:
Very nice description.Philosophical Nietzsche-an elitistic occult lyrical approach.


There was a great interview with Vincent in a danish or swedish magazine, where he talked about the color green. It symbolizes growth, the color of spring, of renewal and rebirth, and is here related to ideas Nietzche (whom you mentioned) and radical traditionalists like Julius Evola (Revolt Against The Modern World), whom Vincent had been introduced to through Michael Moynihan (who also provided the painting of Nero thowing the Christians before the lions inside the booklet of Covenant).

It's interesting keeping all of this in mind, while looking at the Domination cover art. It depicts some kind of pagan god (Greek looking?) blowing his winds down at the Morbid Angel symbol, hovering over the ground, surrounded by green structures rising towards the heavens. I read this as symbol representing the spiritual philosophy of the band, and the structures as the physical dominion that is rising from it.

Ps. Anyone who refers to all of this as "mundane" should kick themselves in the mouth. Nietzche, Evola, Pound and the biggest pagan relapse since the industrial revolution (National Socialism), is as far from mundane as you'll get it.

It is this and so much more, that makes me hold Vincent in a much higher regard that Steve. I simply can't take his "duuuude I'm playing death metal lol" lingo seriously.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HotBlack wrote:
Weak aside - no place for this album, their other works leaves this behind.

Only 2 tracks on this album I can tolerate, the rest through attrition fall...
[...]


Same here, I remember being immensely disappointed when it was released.

The Rutan influence (apart from the leads) didnīt sit well with me at ALL.
Ironically, Hatework was a standout track for me, the other 1/2 one being Ceasarīs Palace - minus the melodic stuff utterly ruining the immense opening riff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah, and the domination cover art. Crap. Looks like a celestial wart hog blowing a bong hit onto a termite mound that inexplicably exists on the top of a skill hill... with a cheese computer graphic on par with some of Monstrosity's finest monstrosities dominating the lower portion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love that the alternate cover has a goatse at the top


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kapalika wrote:


Same here, I remember being immensely disappointed when it was released.


This times a billion. Domination is boring, bullshit by-the-numbers DM with unusual solos.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Vincent had been obsessed with Nietzsche and maybe Roman Empire or Caesar Caligula,since Covenant.
His approach is not so traditional or nationalistic,since he mentioned in his thanklist DeSade or Lavey (''and all truth mongers and truth-seekers'' according to his words) but still passes his message against the modern world(already ''globalized'' since back then?).
I like all those details you mentioned though.

That's why ,due to Vincent's harsh voice and lyrics,MA is closer to the true black metal spirit.

I'd like to know what does the cover with Hellenic looking statues inside the sand ,mean?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Dominate were longer, id vote for that.

voted for Dawn of the Angry.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedevilucifer wrote:
Yes Vincent had been obsessed with Nietzsche and maybe Roman Empire or Caesar Caligula,since Covenant.
His approach is not so traditional or nationalistic,since he mentioned in his thanklist DeSade or Lavey (''and all truth mongers and truth-seekers'' according to his words) but still passes his message against the modern world(already ''globalized'' since back then?).
I like all those details you mentioned though.

That's why ,due to Vincent's harsh voice and lyrics,MA is closer to the true black metal spirit.

I'd like to know what does the cover with Hellenic looking statues inside the sand ,mean?


I don't know, but both covers use a rorschach-like mirror effect, which could be interpreted as a reference to Plato's idea of the physical world being a reflection of the world of ideas, or the Kabbalah, which Trey was already deeply into by that time.

I think Vincent's main line of thought was a kind of radical individualism, and a general disdain for modern society. There's a good example of that in an interview conducted by Chronicles Of Chaos, where he is asked if he's distressed by the amount of nazi skinheads showing up at the shows on the Domination tour, and he simply answers; "I try to get people to overlook whatever differences they may think they have". By this I think he means that those who really understand the spirit of Morbid Angel, all share the same frustrations with the world, as it is.

Ps. I agree about Morbid Angel being closely related to Black Metal.


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