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Der Stürmer - 8th of June 2013 in London
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The problem, however (and most of you fail to see this in the discussion), is that "Nazis" - whatever that might mean in this day and age - are not fond of freedom of speech or expression...


Whatever; "Antifa" ain't an advocate of "freedom of speech", either. They don't belong to (Black) Metal, however. The "Nazis" do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

antifa is a fucking joke. even as a turk (you know the folk that everyone hates) i find antifa pathetic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DTBRex wrote:
glwdrk wrote:

The problem, however (and most of you fail to see this in the discussion), is that "Nazis" - whatever that might mean in this day and age - are not fond of freedom of speech or expression...


Whatever; "Antifa" ain't an advocate of "freedom of speech", either. They don't belong to (Black) Metal, however. The "Nazis" do.


Care to explain? Why would any of it have "a place" in BM?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About Antifa:

In this special case.


The purposes justifies the methods.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of this prepubescent whining Fat Dagon, I suggest you spend your your time supporting your local EDL.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

glwdrk wrote:

Care to explain? Why would any of it have "a place" in BM?


No, I don't care to explain. It's not my fucking problem you have listened to Punk and Hardcore for years and found out about Black Metal only now.

If you need a subculture that is "leftist", then you know where to look. You won't find any of that around here, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Kaos

Black Panther Metal is the new big thing. lol. B-)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was never either/or. Not that it would matter, but to take your arrogance away for a second: I have been into BM probably longer than you. Who said anything about looking for a subculture that is leftist? It's just that very general statements like "Nazis belong in BM" without backing it up are ridiculous. And sure, you don't need to explain. It just shows that it's all empty words.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

glwdrk wrote:
It was never either/or. Not that it would matter, but to take your arrogance away for a second: I have been into BM probably longer than you. Who said anything about looking for a subculture that is leftist? It's just that very general statements like "Nazis belong in BM" without backing it up are ridiculous. And sure, you don't need to explain. It just shows that it's all empty words.


Well, why do they not belong then?

Because BM has been about peace, love and tolerance from the beginning?

I haven't been into BM since 1950 like you, so please explain.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, DTBrecs is a poser who got into Black Metal last year after attending a Deafheaven concert.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

midgetviolence wrote:
glwdrk wrote:
It was never either/or. Not that it would matter, but to take your arrogance away for a second: I have been into BM probably longer than you. Who said anything about looking for a subculture that is leftist? It's just that very general statements like "Nazis belong in BM" without backing it up are ridiculous. And sure, you don't need to explain. It just shows that it's all empty words.


Well, why do they not belong then?

Because BM have was about peace, love and tolerance from the beginning?

I haven't been into BM since 1950 like you, so please explain.


hahaha, you made my day! not since 1950 of course, but i am an old fart and i have been around the block once or twice... and yes, i agree - BM has never been the music of humanist enlightened individuals, but to begin with, it was never political per se. all of a sudden some political dudes discovered it and mixed the two, and it is accepted. this is what i don't understand. i might disagree with this worldview, yes, but i am not actively opposing it. it just seems a bit weird to me, and - personally - it takes away a lot of the enjoyment: because when i listen to BM, i'd like some kind of escapism, a "movie in my head" if you will, and not a political lecture.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of you idiots seem to be treading far too closely to the 'most BM is about hatred of humanity in general, so Nazi-esque views are merely a natural extension to that' argument.

On a side note organisations like the EDL are a far bigger joke than Antifa.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KLM wrote:
On a side note organisations like the EDL are a far bigger joke than Antifa.


On a side-note, yes. Israel Defence League, more like...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

glwdrk wrote:
all of a sudden some political dudes discovered it and mixed the two...


That is where you are so wrong and since you believe in that rubbish ("the Nazis are infiltrating and subverting Black Metal to their own 'political purposes', oi veh!") it is plain pointless to join any debate with you about this topic.

People in Der Stürmer, for instance, have been into Black Metal all along. Do some research if you care to find out. It is you who discovered Black Metal all of a sudden, and that is why you and others like you keep wondering about the strong affinity between Black Metal and "right wing extremism".

The "Nazis" did not discover Black Metal and jump on the bandwagon, they have been in this scene all along and you are either too ignorant to get that or too afraid to admit to it. Just like all the hipsters into Burzum who live in denial of the ideology that is the driving force behind that project...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who was the support?
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