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Der Stürmer - 8th of June 2013 in London
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ That should protect one in case one of those hobos tries to break some glass on ones head.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Dagon wrote:
Seriously - get out of metal. If I ever see a nazi salute at a metal gig in london you'd better be wearing a fucking helmet or pray the bar's only doing plastic glasses.


Since when has metal been a stronghold for the politically correct? Always interesting how knee jerk hatred occurs when people are confronted by things they find morally objectionable. Also, by the same token, what is it people are so fucking concerned about? Did this initiate a whole slew of racist attacks across London? Of course not. But if it did, so what? This is an age of extremities as recent events in London have shown... I'd rather people were given the opportunity to express their viewpoints, irrespective how distasteful some may find them, than liberal fascism and thought policing become the norm.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vomitor style defense. Support.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iron Lord wrote:
Fat Dagon wrote:
Seriously - get out of metal. If I ever see a nazi salute at a metal gig in london you'd better be wearing a fucking helmet or pray the bar's only doing plastic glasses.


Since when has metal been a stronghold for the politically correct? Always interesting how knee jerk hatred occurs when people are confronted by things they find morally objectionable. Also, by the same token, what is it people are so fucking concerned about? Did this initiate a whole slew of racist attacks across London? Of course not. But if it did, so what? This is an age of extremities as recent events in London have shown... I'd rather people were given the opportunity to express their viewpoints, irrespective how distasteful some may find them, than liberal fascism and thought policing become the norm.


agreed. It's a total joke how the PC people who claim to want a "free world" simultaneously condemn others (e.g. fascists) for expressing their own opinions, no matter how stupid they are. Racism is dumb as hell, but not nearly as dumb as the hypocrisy of contradicting one's own supposed world view. Fuck pseudo-humanitarian neoliberalism.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hypocrisy of contradicting one's own world view is indeed retarded. But the best evidence of that is NS retards talking about "freedom of speech."
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Furthermore he had the possibility to attend the gig and beat up everyone who shows a "nazi salute", like he is pretending to do...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Furthermore he had the possibility to attend the gig and beat up everyone who shows a "nazi salute", like he is pretending to do...


Further proof that most metal heads are just pencil necked aspies.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The hypocrisy of contradicting one's own world view is indeed retarded. But the best evidence of that is NS retards talking about "freedom of speech."
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weaklingone wrote:
Fuck pseudo-humanitarian neoliberalism.


Yeah fuck the free markets. Bunch of pussies.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldenBull wrote:
But the best evidence of that is NS retards talking about "freedom of speech."


What do you mean by that? Granting a "freedom of speech" unto others or exercising a "freedom of speech" granted by others?

The latter is said to be a hallmark of any "democratic society"; and since almost 90% of the people on this forum do live in one form of "democracy" or another, I fail to see the contradiction when someone with NS-views is exercising this very "freedom of speech".

Or do you seriously expect "Nazis" to shut up just because NS-Germany was said to be without "freedom of speech"? Give me a break...! Laughing That's the same retarded reasoning like: "Nazis can't listen to (Black) Metal! Why? Because the Führer didn't do, either!" Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speerhead wrote:
weaklingone wrote:
Fuck pseudo-humanitarian neoliberalism.


Yeah fuck the free markets. Bunch of pussies.


Neoliberalism extends beyond the realm of markets into culture and politics. Read David Harvey's 'Post Modern Condition', or Foulcault on neoliberalism if you're interested.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it when all "no politics" people turn a simple show announcment for an underground band into a political debate and complain about someone else being a hypocrite and a whole bunch of other things. Priceless.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Dagon wrote:
Fucking crying shame if this gig went ahead. I'd emailed ANTIFA about it but I guess you wiley nazis were too clever eh?

Seriously - get out of metal. If I ever see a nazi salute at a metal gig in london you'd better be wearing a fucking helmet or pray the bar's only doing plastic glasses.


Basically what Iron Lord said. This attitude disgusts me. If you are into truly extreme music, you must at LEAST be able to confront extreme opinions with some degree of (gasp!) tolerance. If I ended up in the middle of an altercation between obvious antifa/crusties/whatever and "nazis", I'd side with the nazis, even if I am quite far from agreeing with most of their opinions myself.

If you can't handle worldviews that hurt your little feelsies, "seriously - get out of metal."
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DTBRex wrote:
GoldenBull wrote:
But the best evidence of that is NS retards talking about "freedom of speech."


What do you mean by that? Granting a "freedom of speech" unto others or exercising a "freedom of speech" granted by others?

The latter is said to be a hallmark of any "democratic society"; and since almost 90% of the people on this forum do live in one form of "democracy" or another, I fail to see the contradiction when someone with NS-views is exercising this very "freedom of speech".

Or do you seriously expect "Nazis" to shut up just because NS-Germany was said to be without "freedom of speech"? Give me a break...! Laughing That's the same retarded reasoning like: "Nazis can't listen to (Black) Metal! Why? Because the Führer didn't do, either!" Rolling Eyes


The problem, however (and most of you fail to see this in the discussion), is that "Nazis" - whatever that might mean in this day and age - are not fond of freedom of speech or expression...
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