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Albin



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

- LEGION - wrote:

- so far, people have mentioned 3 possible labels responsible; "Cryptia Productions", "Kyrck Productions" or "Zyklon-B Productions". is there anyone here that could find out for sure?!?!? -


No , I've never mentioned Kyrck as an eventual responsible . I've just say this bootleg look lokie some Kyrck release .
Kyrck definitely is a reliable label who deserve support !

s.charlach wrote:
But what do you mean with the Drowned pentagram being stolen by Dimmu Borgir? Are you sure about that? Just ask as I was always wondering about it as well. Anybody who knows better call me wrong, but I guess it's not like Theby drew it and owns the rights. The referred pentagram reminds me a bit of a modified sigil of Ameth and so I guess both bands just use it from some Enochian related writing.


I don't know more . Just that's a well known story in the underground . allready mention in the Drowned interview in Horrible eyes , and recently on the Drowned page on metal archives . But yes it could be very inspired by some magic / enochian system . The best would be to ask TLMNN , who is the guy who draw it .

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Being myself a Greek, it's fucking frustrating seeing all those degenerates making easy bucks from crappy bootlegs.


Don't worry , there are asshole in every country , as well as very supporting and honest peoples .
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another possibility would be toset up a fake new ebay account, outbid everybody on these obvious bootlegs and then give a negative feedback (without paying, of course), stating these are bootlegs. Sellers canīt give negative feedback anymore.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albin wrote:
s.charlach wrote:
But what do you mean with the Drowned pentagram being stolen by Dimmu Borgir? Are you sure about that? Just ask as I was always wondering about it as well. Anybody who knows better call me wrong, but I guess it's not like Theby drew it and owns the rights. The referred pentagram reminds me a bit of a modified sigil of Ameth and so I guess both bands just use it from some Enochian related writing.


I don't know more . Just that's a well known story in the underground . allready mention in the Drowned interview in Horrible eyes , and recently on the Drowned page on metal archives . But yes it could be very inspired by some magic / enochian system . The best would be to ask TLMNN , who is the guy who draw it .


Arrrrgh, dammit! Man, now as you mention it. Sure, there's this question in HE 3 and I've just looked the whole story up. Totally uppity behaviour. I had better keep my cheeky puss, huh. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can someone scan and post?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iron tyrant wrote:
can someone scan and post?


Just the Dimmu related question/answer or do you wanna read the whole intie?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on how much spare time you have... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iron tyrant wrote:
depends on how much spare time you have... Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looking at the boxsets, i feel fairly confident it's Zyklon B.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's absolutely unbelievable what is going on at the moment in the so called 'underground' scene.

I think bands and labels need to start taking things a little more professionally to help stop this stuff from becoming so widespread- sure people are always gonna do it, but maybe for example labels and bands put photos/ or details and descriptions of official pressings on their websites at least people know what is/isn't a real pressing.

There's always some idiot that buys this stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albin wrote:
[...] , Tom G fischer making sculpture of his face to get money , [...]


I donīt see a problem with that, it would only be comparable to the other rip-offs you mentioned if he would sculpt other peopleīs faces and sell them as "his" hehehe. Wink

Seriously: If the perpetrator can be identified it should be made public so that his reputation is destroyed forever.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kapalika wrote:

Seriously: If the perpetrator can be identified it should be made public so that his reputation is destroyed forever.


And who will care about this? Some people from UG zines/bands/labels, some maniax, some visitors of forum like this? And what with rest of "listeiners"?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously: If the perpetrator can be identified it should be made public so that his reputation is destroyed forever


Don't think so.So much Ripp Off Labels and Shit making Labels
around and who carwes about?

Who cares about Agonia, Death to Mankind or Zyklon B?

Some impressions:

Agonia:

CORPUS CHRISTII has signed to Agonia Records for one mCD release.

The long awaited and long delayed three picture discs set of ABSU including The Sun of Tiphareth, The Third Storm of Cythraul and Tara will be finally available in July 2008

IMPIETY's anniversary DoLP will be finally here

New shirts of NOCTURNAL BREED and AMOK are available now.

DTM News:

SELBSTMORD and ANTISEMITEX joined DTR's ranks!

BLASPHERIAN joined DTR for the CD edition of their "Allegiance to the Will of Damnation"!!

DIE TODESRUNE RECORDS proudly anounces the signing of Spanish warlike brutal death metal legend FERMENTO

Zyklon B release in some time a Arckanum Box set...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Kapalika"]
Albin wrote:
[...] , Tom G fischer making sculpture of his face to get money , [...]


I donīt see a problem with that, it would only be comparable to the other rip-offs you mentioned if he would sculpt other peopleīs faces and sell them as "his" hehehe. Wink
quote]

yes that's true ! But it's funny
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do care.

When people donīt care - fine for them, nevertheless the information should be there for those who actually do care.
One shouldnīt take the mediocrity of others as a standard for oneīs own actions.

Admittedly, "forever" sounds a tad bit monumental in this contect, heh.

I donīt understand why bands sign with labels that have a bad reputation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kapalika wrote:
I do care.

When people donīt care - fine for them, nevertheless the information should be there for those who actually do care.
One shouldnīt take the mediocrity of others as a standard for oneīs own actions.

Admittedly, "forever" sounds a tad bit monumental in this contect, heh.

I donīt understand why bands sign with labels that have a bad reputation.


Sometimes bands are somewhat unaware of a label's bad reputation, especially when they put everything in writing and are in their more embryonic phase. I've been there unfortunately, but more often than not have only great experiences when dealing with labels...
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