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USPS postage increase Jan 27th
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The USPS is using a line of credit from congress that it has never paid back and never will. Tell me where in the private market a deal like that would be made.

Actually, before the new law the USPS consistently made ends meet; they would have run at a profit, except they legally aren't allowed to. The only reason for losses now is due to this law, which was written with the specific goal of putting the USPS into private hands eventually, or bankrupting it.

Congress is actually using the USPS as its own line of credit. Do you really think all of this pre-paid future pension money will really stay put any more than pre-paid Social Security funds have? It'll be plundered the same way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a posting of some increases. I don't know if it's going to be bad as maybe Yosuke thinks for International looking from what this says.

For instance, a regular letter sent internationally is is going up from $1.05 to $1.10. Small domestic flat rate boxes go up from $5.35 to $5.80.

"Overall, postage prices will jump by 4 percent for mailing and shipping services. The increase for priority mail prices will be steeper, with prices increasing by 6.3 percent."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest increase will be for flat rate international priority mail. You should ask them about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.aske wrote:

The USPS is using a line of credit from congress that it has never paid back and never will. Tell me where in the private market a deal like that would be made.

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/
http://www.freep.com/article/20121220/COL06/312200218/Tom-Walsh-What-s-the-bailout-verdict-Time-will-tell
(and if you want an example of a purely market-based "bailout": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#Microsoft_deal)

etc. The idea that companies in the "private market" aren't also dependent on credit is ludicrous... and the fact is that these lines of credit may never get paid back, as in the case of General Motors. That's the risk one takes with credit, and an inability to pay is certainly not limited to government agents. Many businesses which got private loans just before the recession are in the exact same boat, stuck with lines of credit from Citibank or Bank of America that they will never be able to pay back.

And again, USPS could actually begin to pay back its line of credit, if not for laws which require it to pre-pay pensions for nonexistent employees, deliver on Saturdays, sell only stamps & envelopes, etc. Some post offices overseas offer profitable services like investment accounts, digital services, and short-term loans, for instance... if the post office doesn't make enough due to declining use of the mail, then we should obviously consider making reasonable cuts and/or expanding into new & more profitable lines of service, rather than simply selling off the whole system.

No savvy businessman would see the USPS as a bad or unprofitable investment... which is why they're drooling over the idea that their pet Congressmen might let them buy it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The biggest increase will be for flat rate international priority mail. You should ask them about it.


Yeah, i agree, that was the biggest last year too. I guess we'll see soon. The thing that bugs me the most is the fucking patches we have to get because those idiots can't change a string in their postage calculator without fucking up all the e-commerce sites.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using USPS for years and never got why people actually used UPS or FedEx. In fact out of most of the packages I've ever received in my lifetime I've found issues more times when getting stuff from UPS or FEDEX(not too sure about lost or damaged though). The rates rising all the time is probably what people find most annoying about the system itself and I will say it sure has rose quite a bit in the last few years but to me even if it was equally priced to UPS or FEDEX to me it still wouldn't make those services better. I must say I agree with this quote whether I liked the USPS or not
“When the post office is closed, the flag comes down. When the human side of government closes its doors, we’re all in trouble.”
— Jennings Randolph, U.S. Senator from West Virginia, 1958-85

I don't think its any surprise to anyone who is paying attention our Federal Government is pulling the strings and they are leading us into the direction of one world government and most likely one world currency if not first a north american currency. The closing of the United States Post Office will no doubt open more strength to ending the U.S. Constitution I can only imagine. I guess only time will tell.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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etc. The idea that companies in the "private market" aren't also dependent on credit is ludicrous... and the fact is that these lines of credit may never get paid back, as in the case of General Motors. That's the risk one takes with credit, and an inability to pay is certainly not limited to government agents. Many businesses which got private loans just before the recession are in the exact same boat, stuck with lines of credit from Citibank or Bank of America that they will never be able to pay back.

And again, USPS could actually begin to pay back its line of credit, if not for laws which require it to pre-pay pensions for nonexistent employees, deliver on Saturdays, sell only stamps & envelopes, etc. Some post offices overseas offer profitable services like investment accounts, digital services, and short-term loans, for instance... if the post office doesn't make enough due to declining use of the mail, then we should obviously consider making reasonable cuts and/or expanding into new & more profitable lines of service, rather than simply selling off the whole system.

No savvy businessman would see the USPS as a bad or unprofitable investment... which is why they're drooling over the idea that their pet Congressmen might let them buy it.


You're out of your mind if you don't think I understand the importance of credit in the free market.

Look at the 2012 (unaudited) balance sheet and statement of operations (nine months ended June 30).

The retiree benefits are less than 20% of operating expenses. Even without those benefits decreasing net income, there's a loss. Look at the worker's compensation costs in their noncurrent liabilities. Anyone who wants to buy the USPS would be a fucking idiot without ousting the union, slashing the pensions, and re-vamping the business model.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hateful_Reality wrote:
In fact out of most of the packages I've ever received in my lifetime I've found issues more times when getting stuff from UPS or FEDEX(not too sure about lost or damaged though).


I knew a few people that worked in a FedEx warehouse apparently here is what happens there.

1. You are worked like a slave
2. Everyone just spits chew all over the floor and nobody cares
3. A vast majority of what is sent via FedEx is porno.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NWN PROD wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?

nah from 17 to 25 doesnt sounds like inflation, more penetration i guess Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.aske wrote:
You're out of your mind if you don't think I understand the importance of credit in the free market.

Look at the 2012 (unaudited) balance sheet and statement of operations (nine months ended June 30).

The retiree benefits are less than 20% of operating expenses. Even without those benefits decreasing net income, there's a loss. Look at the worker's compensation costs in their noncurrent liabilities. Anyone who wants to buy the USPS would be a fucking idiot without ousting the union, slashing the pensions, and re-vamping the business model.

Yes, there's a loss, which is not at all surprising in a recession. Sony, JPMorganChase, BP, NewsCorp, and many other large corporations also posted a loss in 2012. So?

And again, that statement comes after four straight years of giving the government 5.5 billion dollars per year in pre-payment on benefits. 21 billion to spend on improvements over four years could have made a real difference in the USPS' finances; it didn't, because it was sitting in Congress' account. If the pre-payments were to end, I think the difference could easily be made up without slashing pensions or compensation. Efficiency measures alone have lowered their costs by over 2 billion a year since '09, and simply dumping Saturday delivery would save another 3 billion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vega360 wrote:
Hateful_Reality wrote:
In fact out of most of the packages I've ever received in my lifetime I've found issues more times when getting stuff from UPS or FEDEX(not too sure about lost or damaged though).


I knew a few people that worked in a FedEx warehouse apparently here is what happens there.

1. You are worked like a slave
2. Everyone just spits chew all over the floor and nobody cares
3. A vast majority of what is sent via FedEx is porno.


I worked there for three years. This is accurate.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vorfeed wrote:
.aske wrote:
You're out of your mind if you don't think I understand the importance of credit in the free market.

Look at the 2012 (unaudited) balance sheet and statement of operations (nine months ended June 30).

The retiree benefits are less than 20% of operating expenses. Even without those benefits decreasing net income, there's a loss. Look at the worker's compensation costs in their noncurrent liabilities. Anyone who wants to buy the USPS would be a fucking idiot without ousting the union, slashing the pensions, and re-vamping the business model.

Yes, there's a loss, which is not at all surprising in a recession. Sony, JPMorganChase, BP, NewsCorp, and many other large corporations also posted a loss in 2012. So?



So, that would be a compelling argument if UPS and FedEx were posting losses during the recession. Apples to apples?? The companies you named surely use FedEx and UPS, and even while revenue is down, those two shipping companies are still posting profits.

I don't know where you work, but any firm I've worked for hasn't relied on the post office when we need to create shipments or any guaranteed deliveries. USPS is too unreliable.

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And again, that statement comes after four straight years of giving the government 5.5 billion dollars per year in pre-payment on benefits. 21 billion to spend on improvements over four years could have made a real difference in the USPS' finances; it didn't, because it was sitting in Congress' account. If the pre-payments were to end, I think the difference could easily be made up without slashing pensions or compensation. Efficiency measures alone have lowered their costs by over 2 billion a year since '09, and simply dumping Saturday delivery would save another 3 billion.



Well, I sincerely disagree. FedEx and UPS both deliver on Saturdays while generating net income.

I'm not sure if you understand an income statement. It's for a period of time. A balance sheet is a snapshot in time. Your argument for the prior period payments of the pension creating the loss is fallacy, as the prior period outflows have no effect on current operating revenues or expenses.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BENEDICTINE PALPITATIONS wrote:
Vega360 wrote:
Hateful_Reality wrote:
In fact out of most of the packages I've ever received in my lifetime I've found issues more times when getting stuff from UPS or FEDEX(not too sure about lost or damaged though).


I knew a few people that worked in a FedEx warehouse apparently here is what happens there.

1. You are worked like a slave
2. Everyone just spits chew all over the floor and nobody cares
3. A vast majority of what is sent via FedEx is porno.


I worked there for three years. This is accurate.


Haha, wow. The more you know...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what we get for reusing stamps over n' over and turning the Priority mail boxes inside out so we can ship them cheaper years ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody seriously thought big business work like this was done by happy careful people wearing protective gloves and ensuring everything went quickly and without damage right??? ...like some kind of fucking singing happy oomp a loompa's

Seriously? Right???

The work force is made up of miserable gambling addicts and alcoholics with miserable lives of debt and piss poor incomes and ugly wives.

Now you know why your parcel arrived looking like it was kicked from destination to destination. Rolling Eyes
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