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Heirophant.326.AV
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| xyosefx wrote: | | Heirophant.326.AV wrote: | | BaronOvHell wrote: | | Grendel by John Gardner |
Grendel by Matt Wagner if you are into comics. |
That doesn't have much to do with the thread, but those are some great comics.
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For sure. I'm a huge fan - I need to get this bastard thing blockmounted oneday:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Trakl
"died of a cocaine overdose"
Hedonism & misanthropy go hand in hand sometimes...
This dude brings back the fun in misanthropy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bernhard
One of the greatest & funniest, yet dead serious Austrians besides the Gröfaz.
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astralvesl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Deströyer wrote: | | astralvesl wrote: | | Deströyer wrote: | | astralvesl wrote: | | If you're looking for someone to make a worthwhile academic argument for being misanthropic you're going to be looking for a long time. |
Never said I was looking for books/essays written BY "misanthropes"... |
Well you don't have to be a misanthrope to make an argument for being misanthropic. I assumed that by more academic you meant an evaluation of the topic in a scholarly sense, which, in my opinion, is most effectively analyzed from a psychological perspective. |
Have there been many psychological studies? That's probably more what I'm interested in. |
I'm sure there are tons but how many of those are actually worth your time is another question. For what it's worth my idea of a psychological perspective is Nietzschean in the sense that Nietzsche regarded Dostoyevsky as the only psychologist from whom he had anything to learn. Admittedly this concept muddles sociology and psychology through an existentialist lens but suffice to say that reflections on misanthropy fit pretty well into this framework.
That said, here are some relatively current investigations into the subject:
http://www.unige.ch/ses/socio/publications/dernierespublications/sociograph1/WEB_SOCIOGRAPH_1_complet.pdf
This article examines Switzerland in particular but has some valuable discussion on the topic as well as some interesting formulations of the extrinsic impact of such a worldview.
http://www.dji.de/bibs/96_6736_Prevention_of_Right_Wing_Extremism.pdf
Probably a little more political than you're looking for but these articles tie misanthropy to xenophobia and evaluate the reasons for the relation in light of growing right wing extremism in Europe.
http://www.dji.de/bulletin/e_bull_e/bull2003_e/DJIB_2003.pdf
Xenophobia as a mask of sorts for misanthropy.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=199232
I don't know if you have ABA access, I know I don't, so I'm not sure if you'll be able to find this full article. However, in it Wahl discusses four extrinsic manifestations of misanthropy, namely: aggressive behavior, xenophobia, deviant behavior, commitment to right wing extremism. I would argue that based on his analysis you could conclude any sort of extremism constitutes an extrinsic manifestation and further that these manifestations only consider the treatment of "aliens" by the misanthrope when in fact, I feel, that is only a small kernel of the outlook.
A lot of the stuff mentioned in this thread is pretty good reading though, I'd rather read 90% of that than this kind of stuff but it can be interesting. There're also a ton of articles written from an American perspective that basically amount to apologist grovelling so I don't feel the need to post those but they're out there. |
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Deströyer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Cool, thanks for the rec's.
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raskolnikhilov
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| I have been reading Cioran lately also finished Ligotti's Conspiracy against the human race.I need more suggestions but i'm only looking at non-fiction like essay compilations and the likes. |
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Heirophant.326.AV
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Try the 2 Apocalypse Culture books if you have not already read them.
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| Thank you i'll be sure to check them out. i'm also looking for stuff on the lines of Denial of death by Ernest Becker,David benatar and Cioran, pessimistic existentialism and nihilism,suggestions would be motst appreciated. |
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Eh, it's more fiction but I'd suggest more Houellebecq, Ellis, Dostoevsky and possibly Burroughs.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| I think on some way Max Stirner's Ego and his own is misanthropic... |
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astralvesl
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| raskolnikhilov wrote: | | Thank you i'll be sure to check them out. i'm also looking for stuff on the lines of Denial of death by Ernest Becker,David benatar and Cioran, pessimistic existentialism and nihilism,suggestions would be motst appreciated. |
Pessimistic existentialism will lead you to dozens of anti-industrialization arguments as well as dystopian fiction. Sartre's Existentialism as a Humanism is both short and interesting as a jumping off point though not necessarily pessimistic. |
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Judas Goat
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Pleasant Hell by John Dolan
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And Michel Houellebecq for his visionary and acid view on the misery of the Western Man. It is, however, filled with so many typically French references that foreign readers would miss many tasty bits. Unless ones very familiar with French contemporary culture. |
Seconding this. I don't know how many French references I missed, but the books as a whole are truly brainy and see how this house of cards is falling down burning.
I'll always affirm the grandaddy of the genre, Naked Lunch.
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I am reading Jerzy Koszinski - Painted Bird story,
really interesting one. Wonder if I can get some tips for similar novels? |
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mcompton
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| bherstuk wrote: | | Good facebook groups and pages on Misanthropy? |
funniest thing i have ever seen on this board |
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