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Worthless Joke



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haunt In The Dark wrote:


stop paying bands studio time (nobody's paying you when you're thinking about the best ways of selling the record you're going to put out while you take a liberating 10-minute dump at your boring job), etc...



You're talking so much shit, that I just can't reply to it all. But I'll just keep to one point that I find the most stupid: The wrong analogy above.
Paying for the bands "studiotime" is not the same as paying someone to take a dump. When you pay the studiobill your paying the cost of the studio and engineer. The band doesn't get anything for the time they put in it. Not in the studio, and not while writing the music or recording it.

The studiobill is from guys - who unlike the band - will not work for free. And it is as much a real cost of making an album as the pressing.

And of course you can make a better profit if you leave the bands to take the loss. That should be apparent to everyone.

Also I have another thing to add to your great ideas of how to make a profit:
Just don't pay the bill from the printer. Now it's very easy to sell the records with profit!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, but the discussion is about the money the label "loses", and I assume that 1/ S_Slaughter isn't dumb enough to pay for customers' shipping costs himself. 2/ that he talked about all the shipping costs from the pressing/printing plants to his place, etc... which indeed can get expensive.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haunt In The Dark wrote:
stop paying bands studio time


Haunt In The Dark wrote:
Royalties? Fuck that shit too.


Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I did the Wodens' vinyl I paid for studio costs for the band for the bonus track. I see it as only fair as you cannot expect them to work for free. They also received a cut of the vinyls without charge.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worthless Joke wrote:
Haunt In The Dark wrote:


stop paying bands studio time (nobody's paying you when you're thinking about the best ways of selling the record you're going to put out while you take a liberating 10-minute dump at your boring job), etc...



You're talking so much shit, that I just can't reply to it all. But I'll just keep to one point that I find the most stupid: The wrong analogy above.
Paying for the bands "studiotime" is not the same as paying someone to take a dump. When you pay the studiobill your paying the cost of the studio and engineer. The band doesn't get anything for the time they put in it. Not in the studio, and not while writing the music or recording it.

The studiobill is from guys - who unlike the band - will not work for free. And it is as much a real cost of making an album as the pressing.

And of course you can make a better profit if you leave the bands to take the loss. That should be apparent to everyone.

Also I have another thing to add to your great ideas of how to make a profit:
Just don't pay the bill from the printer. Now it's very easy to sell the records with profit!


"Printing costs" as in printing the covers, inserts and whatnot go into the "pressing costs." And either your boss is cool and will let you use his printing machine for free to print your flyers, or you can print a few everyday without people noticing it. This is what I meant.


Werewolf wrote:
Haunt In The Dark wrote:
stop paying bands studio time


Haunt In The Dark wrote:
Royalties? Fuck that shit too.


Confused


If you want royalties, go make a musician career in some more easy-listening/easy-selling scenes and don't play nekrokvltpanzergoatgrimfrostfucking trve black metal. Being in such kind of band is not a job, and if you think it is, the ghost of Euronymous will pull a Varg on you sooner or later.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worthless Joke wrote:

And of course you can make a better profit if you leave the bands to take the loss. That should be apparent to everyone.


And it's not "taking a loss" to me? I think there's a difference between babysitting and spoonfeeding bands and offering them a way to get more exposure?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haunt In The Dark wrote:
Worthless Joke wrote:

And of course you can make a better profit if you leave the bands to take the loss. That should be apparent to everyone.


And it's not "taking a loss" to me? I think there's a difference between babysitting and spoonfeeding bands and offering them a way to get more exposure?


Trust me, you would only get below average bands for your label if you act like that. Making an album is a hell load of work, costs a hell load of time and is fucking expensive.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Belvedere wrote:
Haunt In The Dark wrote:
Worthless Joke wrote:

And of course you can make a better profit if you leave the bands to take the loss. That should be apparent to everyone.


And it's not "taking a loss" to me? I think there's a difference between babysitting and spoonfeeding bands and offering them a way to get more exposure?


Trust me, you would only get below average bands for your label if you act like that. Making an album is a hell load of work, costs a hell load of time and is fucking expensive.


I've been playing in bands for more than a decade, toured the mainland and overseas, recorded in basements, studios,, etc..., released records, tapes, etc... I'm not talking out of my ass.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you please provide some namedropping of bands you played in stuff you released?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what would "not that much" be like? $1000 a month? More?
Why should one's income become public to begin with? Rolling Eyes

Why shouldn't it? We aren't talking of millionaires here. Or are we?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I couldn't care less about how much you or how much the current owner of Apple earns. But I guess you weren't taught to look at your own dish, so nevermind...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werewolf wrote:
Could you please provide some namedropping of bands you played in stuff you released?


It's not metal-related but still DIY, and I personally don't feel comfortable with doing that on here, sorry.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird, I expected you to be proud of your achievements, considering the fact that you're trying to teach everyone how to run their labels "properly"...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, I couldn't care less about how much you or how much the current owner of Apple earns. But I guess you weren't taught to look into your own plate, so nevermind...

Chill out Aharon. I was asking that out of mere curiosity, I've never run a label nor am I ever planning to and I honestly have no idea what kind of $$$ there might be into metal these days.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werewolf wrote:
Weird, I expected you to be proud of your achievements, considering the fact that you're trying to teach everyone how to run their labels "properly"...


I'm not teaching anything anyone, only expressing opinions. And I'm proud of a few of my achievements but don't feel to have them validated or criticised by anyone on here.
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