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DTBRex



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: PayPal purging Black Metal-sellers Reply with quote

Might be useful to compile a list of (Black) Metal-related labels and distributors that got their accounts shut down & frozen by PayPal, according to their updated "PayPal Acceptable Use Policy" effective August 31st, 2018:

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We are clarifying the provision of the Acceptable Use Policy related to hate, violence, racial intolerance and the financial exploitation of a crime, and we have amended the provision to read as follows:

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Relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law;
[Ö]

The rest of the Acceptable Use Policy remains unchanged.


Also: https://www.paypal.com/stories/us/paypals-aup-remaining-vigilant-on-hate-violence-intolerance

Black Metal-labels and distributors that got their accounts terminated according to AUP of PayPal:

- Elegy Records
- WolfTyr Records
- Darker Than Black Records / Merchant of Death
- Obscure Abhorrence Productions
- World Terror Committee
- Nebelklang (both .de and .com)
- Hammerbund
- Purity Through Fire
- Nervengas
- Christhunt
- No Colours
- Moribund Records


Needless to say, but the purge won't stop there. Can't hurt to contemplate using alternative payment methods, even though your PP-account is not yet affected...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pro-banktransfer here. Use it people!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tireheb wrote:
Pro-banktransfer here. Use it people!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bank transfer within the EU is free of charge. For us bulgarians, however, taxes are insane for whatever amount of money I want to send, no matter we are part of the EU. A few years back I won a cd on ebay from Germany, overlooked that the seller only accepts bank transfer and for 9 eur the tax was 17 euros Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, do they take all the money on paypal when delated / frozen?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any bank transfer options that donít have big fees? Every time Iíve looked into it the fees have been steep
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kktz wrote:
So, do they take all the money on paypal when delated / frozen?


I guess you can try getting them through legal ways from their Luxemburg offices.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tireheb wrote:
kktz wrote:
So, do they take all the money on paypal when delated / frozen?


I guess you can try getting them through legal ways from their Luxemburg offices.


Thanx. They already hold some of my money without any explanation, not much, but can't say that I trust 'em.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would not keep any funds at Paypal balance. Transfer it off asap.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what this is meant to accomplish. I have been using Paypal more nowadays, but of course the bank transfer years aren't too far behind... or sending money in letter. Or squirrel skins.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tireheb wrote:
Pro-banktransfer here. Use it people!


That's indeed a good option if you live inside the EU. Outside, the fees are way more than PayPal fees and what not. Luckily MoD asccepts credit card, so that will be the solution in the future, at least for my part.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tireheb wrote:
I would not keep any funds at Paypal balance. Transfer it off asap.


Yes, working on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterVenkman wrote:
Is there any bank transfer options that donít have big fees? Every time Iíve looked into it the fees have been steep


For Americans, there's the option to do a domestic bank transfer to an US-based bank account... you can thus pay your order in local currency and w/o any insane fee. Simple as that!

kktz wrote:
So, do they take all the money on paypal when delated / frozen?


They freeze all funds for 180 days max.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DTBRex wrote:
kktz wrote:
So, do they take all the money on paypal when delated / frozen?


They freeze all funds for 180 days max.


Thanx.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it sucks and seems like a waste of time but someone needs to start turning in these scumbags that keep reporting everyone else. I. E. getting PayPal to shutdown accepting RABM bands/labels as well as "racist" (anti-white) rap music,etc. I'm sure bands like Rage Gainst The Machine, Public Enemy, Iskra, and even that joke band Neckbeard whatevercamp all expouseVIOLENCE & HATE. Which under guidelines is to be terminated.
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