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Gravelander



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please be careful, a 'new' Ebay-bootleger Newfalseprophet:
http://www.ebay.de/usr/newfalseprophet

you can see it very easily, I'm collecting lots of Mystic and Metal Mind-tapes and ALL of them were pro-tapes. This seller put tape-stickers on the tapes. AVOID HIM! Nearly all of his tapes are cheap counterfeits!
A short time ago he had another Ebay-nickname called Graudenz1945
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gravelander wrote:
Please be careful, a 'new' Ebay-bootleger Newfalseprophet:
http://www.ebay.de/usr/newfalseprophet

you can see it very easily, I'm collecting lots of Mystic and Metal Mind-tapes and ALL of them were pro-tapes. This seller put tape-stickers on the tapes. AVOID HIM! Nearly all of his tapes are cheap counterfeits!
A short time ago he had another Ebay-nickname called Graudenz1945


Please, post this HERE too: http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38871
It's a more appropriate thread, so it will be for sure more useful!
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Gravelander



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have here two Negura-tapes;

Negură Bunget: Sala Molksa (tape)
Negură Bunget: Măiastru Sfetnic (tape)

the covers look pretty much like an original copy. the one has professional glossy paper and the other one is printed professional on hard paper.
but I'm worried about the tapes, I found pictures from other guys that have pro-tapes for this particular release, but I do only have normal dubbed tapes...
so is it a bootleg or are there probably only some tapes pro-pressed/printed?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drinks wrote:
Sauron - Prepare to Die demo

My copy is a single sided xerox on regular paper and blank Maxell cassette. Fake?


All of those were hand made by us or distrubuted as covers plus master cdr to a few distros so it sounds right. Ones hand made by us had maxel sticker with hand written title on it.
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avrlabel



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about this???



I don't know where I get this, but I never saw actual copy to compare...
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Asura



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

avrlabel wrote:
What about this???


A bit of common sense, please. Why would anyone bootleg this one?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not real help... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, that is common sense, there are some people, one for all, Michel Arnold from Leipzig, who is also active on ebay as suicide74, who counterfeits anything, even this one, no doubt.
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mighty_amorphis



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you think, guys? The handwriting on the tape seems to be the same as on the picture on metal-archives.




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Wolfsturm888



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks very new (cover) for such an old tape... Quite suspicious. I wouldnīt buy it.

Besides, there are A LOT of demos that arenīt originals on Metal Archives, that sitre is not reliable in order to compare stuff, imo.
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mighty_amorphis



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolfsturm888 wrote:
Looks very new (cover) for such an old tape... Quite suspicious. I wouldnīt buy it.

Besides, there are A LOT of demos that arenīt originals on Metal Archives, that sitre is not reliable in order to compare stuff, imo.


Cover looking new is not a good enough reason to label a tape as a fake. I have the absolutely original Abhorrence demo which cover looks as if it was made yesterday. If a demo is rarely handled, there is no reason why its cover should deteriorate.

The other copy I was talking about is this one:



What is interesting is that the way Embryonic is written differs quite a bit, but it is very clear that the same person wrote on both tapes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mighty_amorphis wrote:
Wolfsturm888 wrote:
Looks very new (cover) for such an old tape... Quite suspicious. I wouldnīt buy it.

Besides, there are A LOT of demos that arenīt originals on Metal Archives, that sitre is not reliable in order to compare stuff, imo.


Cover looking new is not a good enough reason to label a tape as a fake. I have the absolutely original Abhorrence demo which cover looks as if it was made yesterday. If a demo is rarely handled, there is no reason why its cover should deteriorate.

The other copy I was talking about is this one:



What is interesting is that the way Embryonic is written differs quite a bit, but it is very clear that the same person wrote on both tapes.


Sure, it does not have to say anything if a tape was played only 3 times or so in 20+ years and the cover looks like being xeroxed yesterday, though it is not really an indicator for originality... The different handwriting aswell smells, but this is only my opinion. I have seen so many fake demos around (some of them done with professional tools which made them hard to spot), the source is equally important or even more than tape-brands or glossy covers.
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Inverto Crosso



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's mine:

I got it from Tomas (Samoth) and the writing on the tape is scrawled by him. So what do you say all you graphologists?
As you can see, I dubbed "Fallen Angel of Doom" and some Fatal tracks on the B-side afterwards, hah...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inverto Crosso wrote:
Here's mine:

I got it from Tomas (Samoth) and the writing on the tape is scrawled by him. So what do you say all you graphologists?
As you can see, I dubbed "Fallen Angel of Doom" and some Fatal tracks on the B-side afterwards, hah...


Definitely the same handwriting on all three tapes. Just look at 'R', 'C' and 'Y'. Now I'm completely sure my copy is original. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there are dubbed copies, but a confirmations would be welcome, as the other tapes from these bands that I got with them are originals.


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