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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mighty_amorphis wrote:
peterott wrote:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANNIHILATOR-Phantasmagoria-Original-Cassette-Demo-1986-VERY-RARE-/221007521107?pt=B%C3%BCcher_Unterhaltung_Music_CDs&hash=item3375132553

Looks like a fake. Can anyone confirm? Comparing with Demoarchives photo, the insert looks weirdly mirrored. http://www.demoarchives.com/Bands/Annihilator-Can/Annihilator.asp?mistake=Annihilator&cntry=Can

There is also this photo, which has the same tape as on the auction, same "direction" of the insert, but colored as on the Demoarchives photo...
http://rapidsharemp3.com/mp3-download/14073/annihilator_phantasmagoria_demo/?getimg=1


This Annihilator tapes looks exactly like mine, including the same Sorex tape. Got mine sometime mid-90es from someone working at SPV.


What about the insert? Does it have red color on the drawing?


Well, yes, my cover is black/white/red but it looks some has drawn it by hand with a red pencil. I have the same issue on a Bloodstone - Venegeance From Beyond demo, where someone has drawn the angel in red.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterott wrote:
mighty_amorphis wrote:
peterott wrote:
mighty_amorphis wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANNIHILATOR-Phantasmagoria-Original-Cassette-Demo-1986-VERY-RARE-/221007521107?pt=B%C3%BCcher_Unterhaltung_Music_CDs&hash=item3375132553

Looks like a fake. Can anyone confirm? Comparing with Demoarchives photo, the insert looks weirdly mirrored. http://www.demoarchives.com/Bands/Annihilator-Can/Annihilator.asp?mistake=Annihilator&cntry=Can

There is also this photo, which has the same tape as on the auction, same "direction" of the insert, but colored as on the Demoarchives photo...
http://rapidsharemp3.com/mp3-download/14073/annihilator_phantasmagoria_demo/?getimg=1


This Annihilator tapes looks exactly like mine, including the same Sorex tape. Got mine sometime mid-90es from someone working at SPV.


What about the insert? Does it have red color on the drawing?


Well, yes, my cover is black/white/red but it looks some has drawn it by hand with a red pencil. I have the same issue on a Bloodstone - Venegeance From Beyond demo, where someone has drawn the angel in red.


Interesting... Could it be that this is the photo of your tape? http://rapidsharemp3.com/mp3-download/14073/annihilator_phantasmagoria_demo/?getimg=1? If its not, I find it strange that two copies would have similar hand drawn stuff, unless it was done by the band.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's not my tape in that rapidshare-picture. Strange thing nevertheless...



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird shit Confused

Anyway, the one on the Ebay definitely looks fake - text on the insert is cut out on the left, while on your copy it is complete. Thanks for the info!
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, what's your opinion on these?



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is on your orchestre of the dark demo tape ?

Is it true hat it's a basic reissue of the previous demo ? Booklet says "this tape contains about 4 trax"...

I remeber having a copy (not sure if original of not) with wierd noise on it, noting to do with the satanist tunes demo...
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

satanist tunes is not original. the ones made by the band are on old jvc's with the bandname stamped on side A.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tireheb wrote:
A lot of those old demos were distributed in a way that you send the band a tape and they copy the demo on the tape and send it to you. Even if you were some special underground expert, in some cases there is simply no real proof about what is a real copy and which is just a traded copy.


Wolfsturm888 wrote:

This basically is not correct. I have an original copy with blank shell - tape... I bought it in 1994 from Malicious Records, so it should be original...



This is also a matter why i won't look to "Originals", since many Labels like Malicious, Sombre ect. dubbed and sold Tapes in several Variations. Some old Tapes have stamps from Distro in it, but there pops up also differences about the Times. Have 2x Kohort Demo from same Distro and even these Tapes are different. Also lots of 2.000er Demo Tapes were in X Variations....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this genuine or just a dub?



Anyone???
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone???


I'm not 100% sure but I doubt it could be official, I have the previous opera ix demotape and the tape is pro printed, also I've never seen that tape brand in italy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for information!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DARKTHRONE-CROMLECH-ORIGINAL-DEMO-TAPE-BLACK-DEATH-METAL-RARE-1989-VG-W-LRYICS-/261064106930?_trksid=p3984.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D170868627741%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D515281275766898088&_qi=RTM1066540#ht_500wt_1413

Writing on tape looks identical to the copy I got from the band back in the day. Still, you never know.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morbiddeceiver wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DARKTHRONE-CROMLECH-ORIGINAL-DEMO-TAPE-BLACK-DEATH-METAL-RARE-1989-VG-W-LRYICS-/261064106930?_trksid=p3984.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D170868627741%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D515281275766898088&_qi=RTM1066540#ht_500wt_1413

Writing on tape looks identical to the copy I got from the band back in the day. Still, you never know.


Bootleg.. The seller is the same fucking moron from Louisville who uses several ebay accounts trying to rip people off. Everything he puts on sale is just crap.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CASBAH-INFINITE-PAIN-ORIGINAL-DEMO-TAPE-W-FOLDOUT-JCARD-87-THRASH-METAL-EX-RARE-/170873047821?pt=Music_Cassettes&hash=item27c8d3cb0d&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1413
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morbiddeceiver wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CASBAH-INFINITE-PAIN-ORIGINAL-DEMO-TAPE-W-FOLDOUT-JCARD-87-THRASH-METAL-EX-RARE-/170873047821?pt=Music_Cassettes&hash=item27c8d3cb0d&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1413


Same seller; different name. Still bootlegs.
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