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people who make shirts: size breakdown (north america)
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probert



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 8:54 pm    Post subject: people who make shirts: size breakdown (north america) Reply with quote

title pretty much says it. have a feeling that the answer to this is fairly elusive. any insight from north americans on the best s-xxl size breakdown would be appreciated. for 100 shirts, just to make it easy.

also feel free to mention any trends youve noticed in design or shirt type. baseball, girlie, whatever.

edit: by trends i mean things people are interested in and are buying or what the fuck ever.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming this is for a metal band that doesn't have a pink album cover or whatever, do mostly Mediums and Larges, with a handful of smalls and various plus sizes. For 100 I'd mostly likely do something like 15 S, 35 M, 35 L, 15XL+. Just do Gildan unless you want to fork out for well-made American stuff that isn't paper thin.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Americans are fat, I'd do more XL's than M's.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd advice to check or try out some of the shirts by the brand you'll be using. Most of my band shirts are Fruit of the Loom and there's pretty significant variation between the sizes under one size label. For example, I have some Urfaust M shirts that are quite baggy with a large neckhole whereas some are practically painted on and I'm having a hard time squeezing my melon head through the neckhole. Not sure if this will affect your decision but it most definitely would mine if I was printing shirts.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PsychicViolence is pretty correct - but as funeral shroom says, I'd do more XLs.

On a worldwide scale, my experience is something like -

Small - 5%
Medium - 30%
Large - 30%
XL - 25%
XXL - 5%

Other sizes (girlie / 3XL / 5XL) - 5%

It varies band to band, but this is a good average.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tip about sizes (in my experience):

Gildan M = Fruit of the loom L
Gildan L = Fruit of the loom XL

I would recommend using FOTL.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit of the Coon has sucked ass for many years. Every batch seems to differ completely on sizing.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been making shirts for another group of miscreants for about five years now. We print both mens' and womens' and we only do pre-orders (saves us being out $1000s for shirts nobody will buy). Typical order is approx 200 shirts. We use Gildan Softstyle, which are cut slimmer than FOTL or Hanes. As such, for the below sizes, if you order FOTL or Hanes, a Small Gildan = XS FOTL and so forth.

Breakdown generally goes:

Mens
Small = 4%
Med = 16%
L = 33%
XL = 28%
XXL = 12%
XXXL = 7%

Womens
Small = 13%
Med = 21%
L = 22%
XL = 21%
XXL = 14%
XXXL = 8%

As for trends in preference: most people want single color (dark) shirts that are not baggy. Even the men. Nobody wants to be swimming in their shirts. (Only exception are those over-55 hippies -- they seem to love their tent-shirts.)

And since we do pre-orders, the ladies are especially appreciative to have the option to buy ladies shirts, because mens' shirts make us look like hell. If you're printing on spec, though, I can understand why you'd only go for mens. I probably would too.

Tank tops have been popular lately, too. We've added those in to the order as favors to the artist (also because I like wearing them), but they're not for general sale.

We use a local screenprinting studio that also runs as a non-profit and offers job training to high-school students. There was never any debate: Silkscreen or GTFO. But that will, of course, limit what you can print, and the number of colors you can include. We do two-color prints on black.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

selling shirts online in 2015
still not including measurement tables on your site.

Why?
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaattaack wrote:
selling shirts online in 2015
still not including measurement tables on your site.

Why?


I do this, and you'd be surprised how many people cannot read those things, which always blows my goddamned mind.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make all xl
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

under a funeral shroom wrote:
Americans are fat, I'd do more XL's than M's.


Chinese XL is like american M/L sometimes
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks all! super helpful! keep all opinions etc coming. only thing ive noticed in my short time in the shirt game is that SMALLS seem to go way faster than expected and that girls always want shirts but are super worried about the fit like xray mentioned. these arent for online sale (not really anyways) it'd be nice to have a way people could tell how they would fit on merch tables. maybe a portable dressing room?
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can't stand gildan shirts. mediums are too short on me and larges are flappy garbage bags. i try to avoid em unless its something i really gotta have. i only have a couple of fotl shirts but i like the sizing of their mediums. american apparel shirts are really nice too
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give Alstyle shirts a whirl instead of Gildans, comparable price point, decent quality and more consistent sews. Order more smalls than people suggest for sure too, just 5 or so less than Ms is what I generally do.
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