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TriumphanT



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:44 pm    Post subject: Buying second hand vinyls? Reply with quote

Today it seems like most people haven't got a clue how you grade second hand records. I can't remember all records that I bought which didn't live up to the description. Split seams, bent covers, scratches, marks after pricetags and so on. Most of them under the description of "excellent", "near mint" and even "mint"! I would like to know what I pay for but today it seems almost impossible. Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a few of those in the mail yesterday. They weren't rare and quite cheap but the descriptions the seller gave on discogs were way off.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W. Helm wrote:
Got a few of those in the mail yesterday. They weren't rare and quite cheap but the descriptions the seller gave on discogs were way off.


The problem I had with sellers on discogs is that very few of them seems to be interested in taking pictures of what they sell.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over grading is a pet hate of mine too.
I use this guide: http://www.discogs.com/help/marketplace/mp-grading
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pro-tip: read seller feedback before buying. It's there for a reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TriumphanT wrote:
W. Helm wrote:
Got a few of those in the mail yesterday. They weren't rare and quite cheap but the descriptions the seller gave on discogs were way off.


The problem I had with sellers on discogs is that very few of them seems to be interested in taking pictures of what they sell.


Luckily I only had this problem only twice or so. Most sellers on discogs I deal with are very honest in their descriptions or return the money when I'm not satisfied.
I'm not a big collector so I don't order very expensive records but I can see how pictures are a must when you do.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Backwards wrote:
Pro-tip: read seller feedback before buying. It's there for a reason.


Sure it can give you a hint about the seller but there is too many people that seems to be happy with just owning a certain record even if the condition didn't live up to the description.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dreadmeat wrote:
Over grading is a pet hate of mine too.
I use this guide: http://www.discogs.com/help/marketplace/mp-grading


I wish all sellers gave a detailed description rather than just using these gradings!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although there are several guides how to grade an item correctly,there are some sellers that use their own mind - for instance i had times that i've purchased a NM record, but when i received it the cover had ringwear and the vinyl was dirty as hell - but according to the seller it was NM since it played with no skips (which was true).On the other hand i had purchased some G+ records which turned out to be EX or better !! Surely there are some malicious sellers out there, but there are minority.
I think that the better method is to add photos in your listings (i do for almost all my items), the buyer see what he gets , the seller has proof that what he is selling is as described and no misunderstandings occur - as possible of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discogs I feel could provide a place for photos of the actual item for sale.
It's cool when sellers put links to their photos but it's a bit hokey.

edit: which is exactly what eldera777 has had to do, and damn you, you have 3 things from my wantlist for sale Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always a nice surprise when an item is graded VG and arrives looking EX+. This has happened to me quite a few times. I reckon most sellers and buyers on Discogs are honest, at least in my experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always ask for pictures before buying second hand LPs. And even with pictures you may have some bad (or good) surprises. Records grading is too subjective to be a reference.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won an Ebay auction a few months back for Thin Lizzy's "Vagabonds of the Western Wold" LP. The jacket was clearly beat up a bit (40+ year old record, no biggie). The guy had about 7 pictures of the thing from every possible angle, showing all the damage, but listed it as "Mint" Shocked

I didn't mind too much though, since I won it for $35 and it often sells for triple that. Left him positive feedback, but with a comment that saying condition not as listed.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blodhemn9 wrote:
I won an Ebay auction a few months back for Thin Lizzy's "Vagabonds of the Western Wold" LP. The jacket was clearly beat up a bit (40+ year old record, no biggie). The guy had about 7 pictures of the thing from every possible angle, showing all the damage, but listed it as "Mint" Shocked


Must have been a Brazilian or Colombian "mint" LOL That's always driven me nuts
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought some CDs locally from a woman who said they were "mint" and that she was a collector, when they arrived every one skipped, they were the worst CDs I've ever received in fact.
They all needed to be resurfaced and I filed a claim against her for a refund [and won]
I actually took them into my local music shop and got them appraised [they do trade ins] they graded them in writing as too poor condition to trade in Exclamation
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