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Norseman



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orpheus wrote:
Wolfsturm888 wrote:
Honestly, why is this source a.) that expensive when releasing books and b.) why is it that "in" ?

I assume this anti-cosmic movement and itīs development is based upon the Dissection-trend, right?


Have you ever actually held a high-quality release by Starfire, Ixaxxar, or Fulgur? The ebay prices reflect demand post release, but the prices on publication are not at all unreasonable. Leather bindings, slipcases, fancy endpapers and quality paper all cost money. In a day when a shitty mass produced hardcover books cost 40 dollars, paying 60 euro for a talismanic work of art is not unreasonable.


Occult books are not really my subject of interest, but that highly specialized books in small runs can become expensive is not really news or a "trend". Be happy that you are not buying certain academic volumes or (even worse) anything highly specialized from an industry perspective.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Multivariate-Calibration-Harald-Martens/dp/0471930474/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373869187&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?keywords=Rare+earth&qid=1373869474&rh=n%3A266239%2Ck%3ARare+earth&sort=-price
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Superterrorizer



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolfsturm888 wrote:
john matrix wrote:
I'm reading this right now.



I like it because it mainly takes a psychological, abstract approach. You don't need to have any belief in gods or demons to find this book interesting or do the exercises. Although, you may be required to convince yourself that you believe in any number of things on occasion.


Are you sure that you have understood on what Chaos-Magick is based on?
Knowledge is one essential side of the coin of ANY occult/ magic(k)al practice. No work, no harvest.
Read the book a bit closer, itīs brilliant.


You're right. It's a very good approach to Chaos Magick and to the practical perspective of contemporary magick (more in practice than in throry IMO). I think Liber Null is a good starting point if you want to drill further down into Chaos Magick.

I don't think that there is a trend in reading occult books. Some choose a determined path, study it and practice all they can and others are simply interested only in the theoretical aspects of the different currents (i.e.: Thelema, Current 218, Draconian magick, etc.).
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Hallucinogen



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Numerator41 wrote:
It all pays off when you can cast fireballs and shit, dude.
Sadly, I've been told you won't be able to do that Sad
There's probably a lot more hidden knowledge in those crazily expensive chemistry text books that Norseman linked.
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ouroboricmutusliber



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selling off copies of Hanns Heinz Ewers' "Nachtmahr" and the Aorta/Ahnstern zines collection "Blutleuchte" on eBay right now. Neither read as how-to or practical magic guides but there is certainly something sinister and occult at work in Ewers' book and Kadmon gives plenty of focus to the supernatural in the other.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321165668392
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321165671756
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orpheus wrote:
Is it really that hard to imagine that there are 1000 people globally legitimately interested in the subject? Far from true in what sense? Are you talking about Ixaxxar or just high end publishers in general.


No, but just because there may be people genuinely interested does not mean that the sales are not largely driven by a current trend. Just look at the amount of bands that push this shit in comparison to 10 years ago, look at the amount of small-run occult book publishers that have popped up in just the past 3-5 years. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon these days. Maybe that means the market is growing, maybe that means it's a trend, but releasing deluxe editions priced above $250-500 coupled w/ the fact that there is literally a continuous flood of all edition types on the secondhand market leads me to conclude trend.

Orpheus wrote:

Deluxe Editions are exactly the same thing as Die Hard, box set, vinyl...a pointless luxury. Who cares how "justifiable" the price is, in all seriousness. Criticising the practice of selling them is like criticising the act of selling original paintings. If all you want is the content, you can pay your 60bucks and "cope" with the standard edition, which is still superior to any mass produced garbage you can buy in the contemporary McBookstore. If you want to spend a bit more for the hell of it, you have that option as well. Honestly I think its just a way for the publisher/artist to stick their hat out and ask for extra money. I have no problem with the practice.


I have no problem w/ it either, my comment was merely a retort to another user who mentioned productions + material costs to justify the prices of some of these publications. Simple fact is you cannot account for the cost of most of these types of publications based on production cost alone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isnt just 218, Nine Angles or whatever the Watain waxes on about, talismanic deluxes were started (in recent years anyway) by Fulgur and their publication of Austin Spare, and Xoanon with the publication of Andrew Chumbley and the Sabbatic stuff. If it is a "trend", it is one mutually exclusive to anything going on in metal.

Unfortunately, the word "trend" as used by UG metal seems to imply insincerety, which I dont believe to be the case here. Aside from the well known attention whoring perpatrators there isnt any more bands "pushing" anything any more than before. Propaganda and artistic concept arent really the same thing.

Also, the only "flood" ive seen is people buying two copies, waiting a year and putting one of them up on egay at an insane price. It sits there for over a year being he only available copy but bloats the second hand price for the few others who might sell as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orpheus wrote:
Also, the only "flood" ive seen is people buying two copies, waiting a year and putting one of them up on egay at an insane price. It sits there for over a year being he only available copy but bloats the second hand price for the few others who might sell as well.

Except that it rarely takes a year and copies usually end up on ebay even before they sell out. A nice and thought-out business plan but really, if you want to make money wouldn't it be simpler just to go to work for a day or two...
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la_ciudad_podrida



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grabbed this at a local new agey type store that sold incense and crystals and stuff. Suprisingly they had a lot of cool books in the basement about all sorts of topics



illustrations on every page, very cool

going to grab that Liber Null book next time
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eliphas Levi is almost essential reading IMO but there are a few issues with him. Although he is an important "snapshot" of 19th century occultism, you cant take him as "gospel" or a standard reference in the same way you take for granted that the values in the periodic table are correct. There are certain minor details where he deliberately gives "blinds" and gives he wrong data or attributions. Standard practice for the period, the idea is that a "profane outsider" wont get anything out of it but those with some personal experience or understanding will be able to piece it together.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orpheus wrote:
Eliphas Levi is almost essential reading IMO but there are a few issues with him. Although he is an important "snapshot" of 19th century occultism, you cant take him as "gospel" or a standard reference in the same way you take for granted that the values in the periodic table are correct. There are certain minor details where he deliberately gives "blinds" and gives he wrong data or attributions. Standard practice for the period, the idea is that a "profane outsider" wont get anything out of it but those with some personal experience or understanding will be able to piece it together.


interesting, Ill have to keep this in mind while reading.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the recommended books are false. The "Occult" has too much of a liberal bias in general in my opinion.

Buy if your aim is true, get a copy of the Grand Albert (in French) and pick up a black chicken while you are at it. Turn your enemies to ash. Make Lita Ford write riffs about you. Make Chuck Schuldiner your spirit tutor. Learn the secrets of the moon. Find some astral cocaine to snort in 420 dimensions. Learn what this occult symbol means: 💹
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIVERGENTSERIES wrote:
Most of the recommended books are false. The "Occult" has too much of a liberal bias in general in my opinion.

Buy if your aim is true, get a copy of the Grand Albert (in French) and pick up a black chicken while you are at it. Turn your enemies to ash. Make Lita Ford write riffs about you. Make Chuck Schuldiner your spirit tutor. Learn the secrets of the moon. Find some astral cocaine to snort in 420 dimensions. Learn what this occult symbol means: 💹


you sound like you sniff a shitload of glue everyday bro
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love those renaissance magic books like the Grand Albert. They're so full of pretty creative rituals and stuff. Also, it was known around academia of that time that it was al fantasy anyway. It's surprising some modern 'educated' men still believe in ceremonial magic and take it even more serious than 17th century men, men who were full of naivety.


Still, re-enacting rituals is a cool way to solve boredom. It's like theatre.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pimp stick wrote:
DIVERGENTSERIES wrote:
Most of the recommended books are false. The "Occult" has too much of a liberal bias in general in my opinion.

Buy if your aim is true, get a copy of the Grand Albert (in French) and pick up a black chicken while you are at it. Turn your enemies to ash. Make Lita Ford write riffs about you. Make Chuck Schuldiner your spirit tutor. Learn the secrets of the moon. Find some astral cocaine to snort in 420 dimensions. Learn what this occult symbol means: 💹


you sound like you sniff a shitload of glue everyday bro


Seems more likely that he's just poking fun at us.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologize for digging up an old thread, but anyways.

Too lazy to search this entire thread for something that may not have even been covered, but here goes.

Does anyone know of any good books on the subject of weirdo cults, political/paramilitary organizations (stuff like the Symbionese Liberation Army, Socialist Patients Kollective, Branch Davidians, Process Church...etc). Hell, even shamans/mystics? Preferably something biographical.

Here's a few books I've already got, but haven't got around to reading yet-just for a better point of reference.
-Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley
-Propaganda and the Holy Writ of The Process Church of the Final Judgment
-Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology
-My Life with the Spirits: The Adventures of a Modern Magician
-Aghora: At the Left Hand of God (Plan on reading the rest if this is any good)
-Underground (some book about Aum Shinrykyo and the Tokyo subway gas attacks)

If someone could help, I'd appreciate it. I'm also a bit of a psychology idiot as well so I'm not really in the market for any of the sensationalist stuff.
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