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Hørus



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did a trade with him once, got no problem
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flo/thrash attack zine



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temple of PROSELYTISM wrote:

ANOTHER RIP OFF CHRISTIAN / MUSLIM / LIAR IS WITCH HAMMER PROD. (THAILAND)
HE OWES ME 50 CDs


Definitely not, I and tons of other people have traded for many years with him without the slightest problem. He might be a bit slow sometimes, but replies rather quickly to emails...a thing one cant say about you Laughing
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Stygian Shadows 'zine



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flo/thrash attack zine wrote:
Temple of PROSELYTISM wrote:

ANOTHER RIP OFF CHRISTIAN / MUSLIM / LIAR IS WITCH HAMMER PROD. (THAILAND)
HE OWES ME 50 CDs


Definitely not, I and tons of other people have traded for many years with him without the slightest problem. He might be a bit slow sometimes, but replies rather quickly to emails...a thing one cant say about you Laughing



I can agree with Florian!
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Temple of PROSELYTISM



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stygian Shadows 'zine wrote:
flo/thrash attack zine wrote:
Temple of PROSELYTISM wrote:

ANOTHER RIP OFF CHRISTIAN / MUSLIM / LIAR IS WITCH HAMMER PROD. (THAILAND)
HE OWES ME 50 CDs


Definitely not, I and tons of other people have traded for many years with him without the slightest problem. He might be a bit slow sometimes, but replies rather quickly to emails...a thing one cant say about you Laughing



I can agree with Florian!


4-5 years of debt is fair time/enough to be called/labelled as "rip off" anywhere... And worst: he already told me few months back when I wrote him that he won't send his parcel "again" because he says it is lost in the postal service and it is not his fault... while we AGREED to send "registered" parcels each other and sending each other tracking numbers after parcels being sent. I never got his tracking numbers and of course never got his parcel, and he already got my parcel...

Do I owe you stuff to both of you guys?
Or it is just you complaining about my slow answers by e-mail?
I don't remember any debt with you and I stood supportive trading THRASH ATTACK zine in MASSIVE way.

Any way, If I owe anything to anyone reading this we can make it clear IMMEDIATLY.


...And WITCH HAMMER PROD. (THAILAND) is still a RIP OFF after 4-5 years!!
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flo/thrash attack zine



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, im obviously not involved in this transaction and dont know who behaved which way etc.

no, you dont owe me anything, like you said i was only referring to the slow email contact...
or rather non existing replies to severakl trade request after the good initial one you have already mentioned. obviously it is not obliegent to arrange any trades with anyone, but at least a negative reply would be courteous.

but thats not important here, just wanted to talk about my positive experience with witchhammer prods.
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Temple of PROSELYTISM



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flo/thrash attack zine wrote:
ok, im obviously not involved in this transaction and dont know who behaved which way etc.

no, you dont owe me anything, like you said i was only referring to the slow email contact...
or rather non existing replies to severakl trade request after the good initial one you have already mentioned. obviously it is not obliegent to arrange any trades with anyone, but at least a negative reply would be courteous.

but thats not important here, just wanted to talk about my positive experience with witchhammer prods.


Ah ok. No problem at all my friend. Most of my silence is due many activities, few money, and too much chaos... but I am trying to change this all, and turn PROSELYTISM into something less dissapointing for everyone, you know due my lack of communication with everyone, including my personal life, but never rip off.
My old accounts used to COLLAPSE full of requests and spams most of the time. I am not that good dealing with technology... but things are changing.

You are lucky that guy didn't break his oath, for me he is just another christian / muslim / atheist / etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+++++ RIP-OFF WARNING +++++

Piotr Bysiek/Death Dealers Association

PIOTR BYSIEK
UL. GOŁASKA 15/23
30-619 KRAKOW
POLAND

pioter101@gmail.com

I think our losses were a trivial 5 CDs, but I think someone else lost a bunch more from this guy. Disgrace to Polish scene, stopped responding to e-mails, and then shut his website down. Physical noise propaganda (see here) that will make a bunch of internet warriors bitch has been made and will be distributed within the underground to make the world understand that this label has the audacity to actually care that people follow through with the agreements they make with us. Unlike others this label does not fuck around and will not wait years or make online postings such as this one "Dude you owe me stuff from about a half a year ago. I just bought all your new releases, please send all that stuff with the old stuff you owe us", maybe now people will learn this.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donīt trust in AncientRecords. Ordered, paid, nothing. Wrote e-mail, nothing. The only thing he did was making statements obn his website how busy he is and blablabla. There are enough people that didnīt got the package nor a refund. So, fuck it! Why running a label if Iīm not able to handle it?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis Freiberger of Kneel Before the Master's Throne (KBTMT).

He ripped many of us off for the Ketzer pic disc. Avoid this scum on Ebay, as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

F.N. wrote:
Donīt trust in AncientRecords. Ordered, paid, nothing. Wrote e-mail, nothing. The only thing he did was making statements obn his website how busy he is and blablabla. There are enough people that didnīt got the package nor a refund. So, fuck it! Why running a label if Iīm not able to handle it?


Can't complain about Ancient Records, because I always got what I paid for.

Speaking of, why don't you ask for a refund through PayPal (if you have paid with it to begin with, ofc) if your order does not show up within 45 days (that's the deadline for filing a complaint there, if I am not mistaken?) since payment?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A non payer on Discogs to avoid, here is the info:


Username: floralbalancheros

juan
8225 nw 68th st
miami, fl, 33166
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Phone: 786-472-8264
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A "Juan" in Miami. LOL
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shatraug (Grievantee) hasn't sent me a fairly large parcel I paid for in September 2012.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallen_Empire wrote:
Shatraug (Grievantee) hasn't sent me a fairly large parcel I paid for in September 2012.


He is more then likely on tour someplace that usually is what delays everything there.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DTBRex wrote:
F.N. wrote:
Donīt trust in AncientRecords. Ordered, paid, nothing. Wrote e-mail, nothing. The only thing he did was making statements obn his website how busy he is and blablabla. There are enough people that didnīt got the package nor a refund. So, fuck it! Why running a label if Iīm not able to handle it?


Can't complain about Ancient Records, because I always got what I paid for.

Speaking of, why don't you ask for a refund through PayPal (if you have paid with it to begin with, ofc) if your order does not show up within 45 days (that's the deadline for filing a complaint there, if I am not mistaken?) since payment?


I never got a LP I ordered from him in December, but after sending him an e-mail, he told me he'll send another one. I haven't it in hands yet, but I'll give him some time more since my mail is from last week.

Anyway, he may have bad luck or something since this kind of problem happen very rarely in my case.
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