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New wave of noisy industrialized "black metal"?
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Gnaw Their Tongues/Dragged Into Sunlight
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Krieg/The Body
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Sinistrogyre



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject: New wave of noisy industrialized "black metal"? Reply with quote

Mysticum finally releasing the boring Planet Satan, DTB Rex giving birth to Staal Pakt, and finally these two collaborations Gnaw Their Tongues/Dragged Into Sunlight & Krieg/The Body...after Twilight's III: Beneath Trident's Tomb with Thurston "Black Metal is music made by pussies of the lowest order" Moore which somehow paved the way.

While the GTT/DIS record - produced by J. Broadrick himself - is supposed to be some kind of Streetcleaner new interpretation, the K/TB album aims at being "overwhelmingly negative" and sounding "massively punishing" according to N. Jameson. Both could be described as perfect soundtracks for urban warfare too.

What do you think of all this shit? Is there a new wave of noisy industrialized "black metal" unveiling new shades of black and expressing - in a more organic manner than previous attempts like Diabolos Rising, Mysticum et al. - the Futurist aspects of the BM revolutionary-conservative core? Or all of this is just another hideous face of these days' black metal hipsterization? And who cares?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: New wave of noisy industrialized "black metal" Reply with quote

Sinistrogyre wrote:
And who cares?


Well, at least I do care or else there wouldn't be StaalPakt. Wink

I still believe that "industrial elements" can increase the inhumanity of Black Metal, but it's a really challenging fusion of styles that not many are able to execute properly. If there are any new suggestions for me to check out, I am all ears!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: New wave of noisy industrialized "black metal" Reply with quote

DTBRex wrote:
I still believe that "industrial elements" can increase the inhumanity of Black Metal, but it's a really challenging fusion of styles that not many are able to execute properly.


I agree with you. What I find interesting is that now there are bands which are really merging industrial music and black metal - they are not playing the copy/paste thing that industrial BM often was.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never felt inspired to explore this 'sub-genre' to much extent. I worship Streetcleaner though so I'd be interested in hearing the GTT/DIS split, but that might be as far as I go.

Definitely not checking out a project by N 'trigger-warning' Imperial any time soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NKVD did it perfectly I think
cold mechanical, but not like a computer, more like a wood chipper
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, NKVD is gloriously totalitarian and relentless. You can hear the music is played by someone who has really integrated both genres and doesn't limit themselves to adding some pseudo-industrial clichesque sounds to a less-than-average BM basis.

Disiplin's Radikale Randgruppe contains some nice moments too, but it sounds too untidy/messy - let's say it's a not-so-missing link between industrial BM the old way and the new way I'm referring to.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: New wave of noisy industrialized "black metal" Reply with quote

Sinistrogyre wrote:
Diabolos Rising


great band

Sinistrogyre wrote:
Or all of this is just another hideous face of these days' black metal hipsterization?


yes, most likely
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always felt like most industrial music (in the classic sense, or the contemporary goth sense) didn't fit with looking cool

like it's really cheesy shit sometimes, not even in a fun hipster way
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both those albums are trying way too hard to sound dark and shocking. To the point where...they aren't.

But at least this thread got me to check out NKVD at last. Great stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://theaxisofperdition.bandcamp.com/track/where-the-world-becomes-flesh

Do yourself a favour and listen to The Axis of Perdition.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaronOvHell wrote:
I worship Streetcleaner though so I'd be interested in hearing the GTT/DIS split


Broadrick seems to actually grasp at least a part of the essence of BM i.e. something of its transcendant nature which is beyond the exoteric/causal forms (words, music, pictures) commonly used. As he puts it "I truly find that some of the stuff that Godflesh were doing but other people weren't was experimenting with extreme dissonance, and it's central to a lot of black metal and I find that really exciting. It's genuinely fucking abstract sounding; it conjures up images that are beyond the silly satanic stuff or vikings with big swords. A lot of that stuff is obviously extremely silly. But musically, there is stuff there texturally which I find really fucking interesting."
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never listened to GTT but The Body's music doesn't do anything for me. It seems like they try too hard to be dark... doesn't come from the heart. Kinda like a psychiatrist talking about schizophrenia rather than a schizophrenic talking about it.. or just talking.
I guess the Axis of Perdition, Blut Aus Nord, Peste Noire (Martial) are pretty good when it comes to mixing industrial with metal but they've got nothing on Type O Negative's first album in terms of integrating those two styles in spirit, rather than merely emulating their superficial qualities.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crownofporns666 wrote:
they've got nothing on Type O Negative's first album in terms of integrating those two styles in spirit, rather than merely emulating their superficial qualities.


I've never considered Type O like this but it makes sense. Perhaps because Steele's music was nothing but (urban) feeling & instinct, not an overintellectualizing/ed project like BaN (which is great, but in a different way!). He expressed an alienation he was carnally linked too like TG were creating something visceral.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed the Krieg /Body material. GTT has always been fantastic to me, if not a bit formulaic after a while--indeed sometimes it is this project that the "darkness" feels forced.

Murmuüre is a project I would group with this genre.
The Hateforest album "battlefields" as well. This can really be pleasing and add to the atmosphere if done well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SS-18 probably kills this hipster bullshit. Maybe not the most clinical band but the insanity is here.

I have yet to check that MYSTICUM record but I heard very good opinions about this one.
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