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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Atheistic-based films Reply with quote

Basically I'm looking for something relatively along the lines of the Bill Maher's movie "Religulous", but minus the shitty aspects. What I didn't like was how he would basically find the most retarded people he could (granted, they were entertaining), ask them questions, and then cut the scene before they could answer. Plus, Bill Maher can just be a really arrogant douche sometimes. But basically anything with this sort of theme would probably interest me, so please make some recommendations. Sorry I couldn't give more specific guidelines.

by the way, I'm not one of those ANTI-RELIGIOUS FOR THE SAKE OF BEING A BADASS KVLTFVKK ANGRY TEENAGER dudes like that kid who's videos have been posted here.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Search YouTube for Richard Dawkins. Especially entertaining is his interview with Ted Haggard. But I think his full shows have been uploaded. there are a few he did over the last couple of years about atheism and attacking irrationality. I think it's the closest I can think of which you'll find.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

google video search "The God Delusion," its a documentary (might actually be a series) based on Richard Dawkins pretty much pissing all over anyone dumb enough to believe in organized religion. Unfortunately, he too often comes off as a total ass-hat arrogant prick, however he is infinitely more educated and intellectual than Bill Maher.

Unfortunately, it seems all the Atheists that go far enough to make movies are just fuckos, but what are you going to do? This movie is especially great for the section where he pisses off a priest so bad the guy calls the cops of escort him off the property... amazing.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The seventh seal" by Ingmar Bergman is a pure masterpiece following the travel of Antonius Blok, a tired knight back from crusades, seeing his world completly devasted by plague, stupidity, witchfynde fever and other god/human sickness.
When the Death come to him to take him, he ask her to play chest with him so he can continue his trip, looking to contact god by any way possible to answer his questions.

That's the most brilliant film about questionment, if you're looking for something serious, you can't be dispointed.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The work of Christopher Hitchens is pretty good to. A bit blow-hardy, but right on for the most part.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

check out "the atheism tapes." pretty interesting arguments from some of these guys, esp. dawkins.

from netflix description:

Six renowned intellectuals debate whether God exists in these fascinating interviews with playwright and atheist Jonathan Miller. Highlights include playwright Arthur Miller discussing the anti-Semitism he's faced and his disbelief in God. Other participants are biologist Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion; theologian Denys Turner; physicist Steven Weinberg; and philosophers Daniel Dennett and Colin McGinn.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zombie Dance wrote:
"The seventh seal" by Ingmar Bergman is a pure masterpiece following the travel of Antonius Blok, a tired knight back from crusades, seeing his world completly devasted by plague, stupidity, witchfynde fever and other god/human sickness.
When the Death come to him to take him, he ask her to play chest with him so he can continue his trip, looking to contact god by any way possible to answer his questions.

That's the most brilliant film about questionment, if you're looking for something serious, you can't be dispointed.


another great bergman film about questioning faith is winter light. seventh seal is incredible as well. bergman had a lot of personal issues with his own faith and it shows in his films. good stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subjects like these when the material offered is just a lot of conjecture or personal opinion are a hard sell I find. Blind faith required for both sides.

It's like asking anyone that goes to a church how they can support a system more about being a system of government, order, and rules then really being about a benevolent god's work. Why the need of lush and expensive temples and robes laced with gold when that money could feed and cloth the poor ?
The whole system is backwards and a failure. However in that fairly simple statement I've already offended beleivers without even commenting on the god. ...but just by commenting on humans.

Then when actually commenting on the god, I ask why is that god always designed with human traits, and petty ones at that. Wouldn't a wickedly powerful entity that can create existence be far more advanced then our silly emotional states that lead us as humans to war, ignorance, and arrogance ? It is impossible for a realistic god to be any of these man-made ridiculous comic characters.

I already would have lost anyone I generally converse with. Trying to imagine the impossible and what cannot be imagined, that is who or what god would really be. No temples, no bibles, no rituals of a ridiculous nature, that is all man-made antics to somehow appease our pyschological needs and desires.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weaklingone wrote:
Unfortunately, it seems all the Atheists that go far enough to make movies are just fuckos, but what are you going to do?


This seems to be the case with any and all Atheists that rally together around the fact that they are Atheists. When I was much, much younger, maybe around 13, a friend and I attended a sort of local "Atheists meeting" (put on by Minnesota Atheists, I believe) that was incidentally being held at our school. We had both been staunch atheists for a long time at this point and the idea of association with like-minded people seemed alright to me. Anyway, the meeting and "presentation" (presumably intended to sway us kids that had come from the school) were awful. It quickly became clear that none of the morons there actually had solid reasoning for their disbelief in god; the sole argument they made, with innumerable variations, was the whole "if god exists then why does bad stuff happen, durr?" which really only negates the possibility of a Christian god, kind of.

Whether or not these people realized it, these meetings were obviously serving the same function as church for theists, in that the meetings provided them with a sense of community. Most of the church-going Christians I know will openly cite this as their main reason for attending, at least.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The God Who Wasn't There


You'll learn that there is only one unpardonable sin in Christianity, which is probably about the most retarded thing you'll ever hear.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HorrificProphecies wrote:
Zombie Dance wrote:
"The seventh seal" by Ingmar Bergman is a pure masterpiece following the travel of Antonius Blok, a tired knight back from crusades, seeing his world completly devasted by plague, stupidity, witchfynde fever and other god/human sickness.
When the Death come to him to take him, he ask her to play chest with him so he can continue his trip, looking to contact god by any way possible to answer his questions.

That's the most brilliant film about questionment, if you're looking for something serious, you can't be dispointed.


another great bergman film about questioning faith is winter light. seventh seal is incredible as well. bergman had a lot of personal issues with his own faith and it shows in his films. good stuff.


yes i couldn't agree more, the whole trilogy (along with "through a glass darkly" and "The Silence") is fantastic. among the most "human" films i think, even if those are pretty hard and not the kind of stuffs i'll watch every day.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demoniarch wrote:
Blind faith required for both sides.

Actually one requires blind faith and one is the opposite of blind faith -- evidential reasoning, where lack of evidence is an evidence against belief. As Richard Dawkins put it in The God Delusion, atheism is based on rationality and rationality alone. It's less about making the absolute claim that there is no god and more about making the claim that the probability of god or "a" god's existence is so minute, that one can say with a good degree of certitude that there is no god.

Or as Richard stated without paraphrase, "Why there almost certainly is no God".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Four Horsemen" is a great 2-hour discussion between the four leading atheist thinkers and philosophers. Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DKhc1pcDFM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeJf-Yia3A
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weaklingone wrote:
Unfortunately, he too often comes off as a total ass-hat arrogant prick


why do you find dawkins to be arrogant? he only puts out arguments which religious people cant beat.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HADES wrote:
weaklingone wrote:
Unfortunately, he too often comes off as a total ass-hat arrogant prick


why do you find dawkins to be arrogant? he only puts out arguments which religious people cant beat.

Exactly.

I think people misunderstand correctness for arrogance.
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