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Endless Morbidity



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually do own a four-track and have recorded with it, but never did anything with digital.
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tom245



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomas wrote:
@ Endless Morbidity:
"recording on tape or digitally means nothing. It's how you actually play"

Judging from this, I can say that you've never recorded anything in your life Laughing
When we record, it's always on tape with a 4-track, and it actually delivers a warmer, better and fatter sound than those two times we tried to record things digitally. We used the same mics, the same room, the same instruments, the same setting of amps, ... and the mics were almost on the exact place where they always are. And you know what? Those digital recordings sounded flat, cold and there were no dynamics.
OK, afterwards we put everything on a pc and burn it onto a CDr as a master, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't start with the best source to my ears (= analog recordings).


Doesn't this mean it was completly pointless then? It's just digital taken from analogue recording. Wouldn't it actually be better quality to have recorded it digital in the first place? Question
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tomas



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's not completely pointless. The digital versions made from analog recordings still sound 10x better than when you record digitally.
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rauta



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomas wrote:
Does that mean that if I put those analog recordings on a pc at a 88200 rate, the sound will resemble analog sound?

Yes. There are of course some variables that effect the sound (cables, software, hardware etc.) on the way. It will NEVER match the analogue sound 100% but as far as human hearing goes it's the same thing.
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tomas



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you do that in most software programs?
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Jacy Catlin



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomas wrote:
Can you do that in most software programs?


Digital recording software all goes well above and beyond a CD in the sampling rates you can record with. I asked the question to a recording engineer I know, if it's going to end up on CD anyway, is there any point to recording higher quality? He said there certainly was as when you compress the files to the bitrate of a CD in software if will sound better than recording at CD sampling rates.

CD is 1982 technology. If we look at video games or other software from the same era we can notice a huge difference in quality. When some people say "analog sounds better than digital" they are really saying "records sound better than CDs", as they haven't heard better digital formats.

Is knowing something about recording technology or techniques important in extreme metal, which in most cases is quite a lofi and noisy genre? I'd say so. Most bands are now recording themselves. If musicians want creative control over how their records sound they need to be educated in recording as much as knowing to play their instruments. Bands like Ildjarn, Burzum, and more recently Spite Extreme Wing and Peste Noire have an overall "lofi" sound, but their recordings are obviously thought out and intentional.
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