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cochino



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dudes, 17th century =/= medieval.

Besides that, I agree that The Spider Lullaby was his last great album, although I do like some songs from the other albums. I think Spider Lullaby still has some of the more classic style, but it's more similar to Fatal Portrait than any of the other albums in that the songs have more of a classic verse/chorus/verse structure rather than the more twisted compositions of his full conceptual albums. Killer and Six Feet Under are pretty bad songs though.
I haven't bothered checking out Puppet Master nor Give Me Your Soul... because I lost interest when I saw that he shared vocal duties with some lady. Even in his most mediocre albums it was kinda fun to listen to KD doing all the voices and shit, I don't want anyone else singing along him. It loses its charm.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor Black wrote:
DSS wrote:
And "The Eye" is a great album. A progression in the right direction.


It absolutely is, if you think the right direction is drum machines, inferior songwriting, and cheapo digital recordings. And I would certainly accept an economic explanation for those things as well.


Great opinion. My differs from yours though.
But seriously, most albums "suck" because people have different expectations. I don't mind if a band takes a step forward or in a slightly different direction. I don't expect a band to release Part 2 of the previous album. Lots of people who liked "Kill'em All" said that "Ride The Lightning" was a sell out album. If "RTL" sounded exactly like "KEL" those same people would be bitching and whining that Metallica didn't come up with anything new. It's a no win situation for most bands.

As for King Diamond, each album took a different approach than the previous one. Anyone who followed his work from album to album at least should have expected something different from "The Eye". Calling it "inferior songwriting" is absurd.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor Black wrote:
DSS wrote:
And "The Eye" is a great album. A progression in the right direction.


It absolutely is, if you think the right direction is drum machines, inferior songwriting, and cheapo digital recordings. And I would certainly accept an economic explanation for those things as well.


Man, now I completely understand when Marcos flames the shit out of poseurs here.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cochino wrote:
Dudes, 17th century =/= medieval.


Shiteater =/= smartass

Clean up your sig, only defunct crap in it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Man, now I completely understand when Marcos flames the shit out of poseurs here.


Don't get him going. He already has two strikes. If you get him fired up he will banned for good Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
cochino wrote:
Dudes, 17th century =/= medieval.


Shiteater =/= smartass

Clean up your sig, only defunct crap in it.


So, pointing out a mistake in a straight forward way, without any irony or jokes is being a smartass. People really get butthurt and defensive around here lately.

And noted about the signature, I didn't even remember I had that stuff there. Removed it now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really a mistake, the definition of medieval age varies widely. You surely heard this in your elementary course of history class.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GMYSP was bad. Again, bad KD is better than 95% of all shit that gets pumped out today but it was a major step backwards from the Puppet Master. I don't want to see the increased presence of his wife on any of the supposed final/next 3 albums.


Agreed to the max
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not really a mistake, the definition of medieval age varies widely. You surely heard this in your elementary course of history class.

I never heard anybody referring to post-Humanism/Renaissance western culture as "medieval".
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See? You're a smartass.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cochino wrote:
Dudes, 17th century =/= medieval.

My friend, I used quotation marks for a reason, you know.

NK7 wrote:
"medieval" sounding

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could provide examples of the inferior songwriting but it's possible that this thread lowered my IQ so much that I no longer have the capacity to do so. Never vetting the songs in a rehearsal room with a real drummer probably had something to do with it, although the drum machine definitely heightens the "medieval" atmosphere.

I considered this album a disappointment when it came out and it still is to me the first in a long series of albums that don't hold up to the standards of the first four.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor Black wrote:
although the drum machine definitely heightens the "medieval" atmosphere.


Laughing

Not to forget the electric guitars and synthesizers!

BTW, whoever programmed that "drum machine" (if it even was one), did a fucking good job. Beat that.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor Black wrote:
I could provide examples of the inferior songwriting

You call THIS "inferior songwriting"?

http://youtu.be/OGf2B8TDzP0
http://youtu.be/I2GplgZeyqA

When was the last time you got your ears checked? Do you fucking hear the monster riffs, terrific atmosphere and IMPRESSIVE solo'ing there? Also, as stalinorgel says that drum machine is damn tight and very natural-sounding. Nobody even knew it wasn't a flesh and blood drummer til the advent of the Internet and nobody ever suspected it was, which says a lot on the excellent job they did.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
See? You're a smartass.

What's so smartass about my reply?

And I don't think there's anything remotely "medieval" about the 17th century (with or without quotation marks) but whatever, it was just a small observation.
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