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VENOM black metal inventors or...?
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Pick your choice:
Venom originators of black metal
72%
 72%  [ 72 ]
No, all start in Scandinavia
27%
 27%  [ 27 ]
Total Votes : 99

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow I just bothered reading about 3/4ths of the pages on this thread... and I now feel stupider because of it. There are some ignorant mother fuckers on here that's for damn sure. After reading things like "black sabbath is'nt metal" motorhead don't consider themselves metal" and the infamous "mayhem was the first black metal band" I don't know where the fuck to begin... you people are jokes.

Here's some facts to learn:

1. Venom = started black metal.
2. Motorhead invented the term speed metal and that's what they consider their style. (And yes they are rock'n'roll as fuck, and for anyone who doesn't understand that true metal IS rock'n'roll can "leave the hall!" Haha!)
3. Black sabbath is metal, wow do I even have to say that?
4. there were PLENTY of bands before mayhem playing the established MUSICAL STYLE of black metal
5. There is a such thing as 80's black metal
6. Blasphemy owns darkthrone, burzum, thorns, emperor, and all that panzy trendy shit.
7. Fuck you!
8. And fuck norway!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The genre is a continuum, waves are reference points which last a decade by the looks of things. No one 'started' black metal, it emerged out of various origins (including Venom) and was given a name by Venom. Very simple explanation.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venom clearly present themselves as a black metal outfit, regardless of their self-classification. Not just from a musical standpoint (dirty, blasphemous, speedy rock 'n' roll), but also by their careless, damming attitude.

The essence is all their, in my opinion.

To me it is that simple.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Primitive wrote:
Wow I just bothered reading about 3/4ths of the pages on this thread... and I now feel stupider because of it. There are some ignorant mother fuckers on here that's for damn sure. After reading things like "black sabbath is'nt metal" motorhead don't consider themselves metal" and the infamous "mayhem was the first black metal band" I don't know where the fuck to begin... you people are jokes.

Here's some facts to learn:

1. Venom = started black metal.
2. Motorhead invented the term speed metal and that's what they consider their style. (And yes they are rock'n'roll as fuck, and for anyone who doesn't understand that true metal IS rock'n'roll can "leave the hall!" Haha!)
3. Black sabbath is metal, wow do I even have to say that?
4. there were PLENTY of bands before mayhem playing the established MUSICAL STYLE of black metal
5. There is a such thing as 80's black metal
6. Blasphemy owns darkthrone, burzum, thorns, emperor, and all that panzy trendy shit.
7. Fuck you!
8. And fuck norway!


Pretty much this (mostly).

Seriously, some of you are either retarded or 15
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, I really like Ildjarn. Especially the Nidhogg collaborations.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted Venom = black metal because I'm neither deaf nor blind nor gay.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually nevermind
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Man, I really like Ildjarn. Especially the Nidhogg collaborations.


There's always exceptions... thou shalt suffer is also some really good shit from early 90's norway, and had more in common with von then with the darkthrone & clones.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shitposting in a shitty thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Primitive wrote:
wasteland wrote:
Man, I really like Ildjarn. Especially the Nidhogg collaborations.


There's always exceptions... thou shalt suffer is also some really good shit from early 90's norway, and had more in common with von then with the darkthrone & clones.


My post was meant to be off-topic as this thread has reached mind-melting stupidity levels. I had an Ildjarn song in my head and just posted what I was thinking, forgetting that some people regard Norse black metal as faggotry and are taking the "Venom side". Apologies to all concerned.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I voted Venom = black metal because I'm neither deaf nor blind nor gay.


We both got dealt a winning hand mate....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Primitive wrote:
Wow I just bothered reading about 3/4ths of the pages on this thread... and I now feel stupider because of it. There are some ignorant mother fuckers on here that's for damn sure. After reading things like "black sabbath is'nt metal" motorhead don't consider themselves metal" and the infamous "mayhem was the first black metal band" I don't know where the fuck to begin... you people are jokes.

Here's some facts to learn:

1. Venom = started black metal.
2. Motorhead invented the term speed metal and that's what they consider their style. (And yes they are rock'n'roll as fuck, and for anyone who doesn't understand that true metal IS rock'n'roll can "leave the hall!" Haha!)
3. Black sabbath is metal, wow do I even have to say that?
4. there were PLENTY of bands before mayhem playing the established MUSICAL STYLE of black metal
5. There is a such thing as 80's black metal
6. Blasphemy owns darkthrone, burzum, thorns, emperor, and all that panzy trendy shit.
7. Fuck you!
8. And fuck norway!


Fukking cheers mate!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thread locked for obvious reasons. If you're going to start a clearly controversial thread, at least have a somewhat convincing argument to back it up.
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