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VENOM black metal inventors or...?
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Venom originators of black metal
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No, all start in Scandinavia
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nileppez



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NK7 wrote:
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Nothing they recorded is black metal

Black metal is by definition heavy metal music with satanic lyrics/aesthetics so Venom is certainly black metal. Now please get the fuck out of my scene.

So Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath play black metal on certain songs.
Great idea, fag.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your honour.... I move we ban this thread from the internet
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple question
Answer :YES
THE END.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nileppez wrote:
NK7 wrote:
nileppez wrote:

Nothing they recorded is black metal

Black metal is by definition heavy metal music with satanic lyrics/aesthetics so Venom is certainly black metal. Now please get the fuck out of my scene.

So Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath play black metal on certain songs.
Great idea, fag.

According to the very same people you and that Belvedere queer credit for "inventing" black metal, yes. You need to go through those Metalion/Lords of Chaos books of yours once again it seems.
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Necrosathanas



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has turned into some really good entertainment, if it wasn't from the beginning.

Thanks for saving my evening.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people need to read this more carefully:

"Hell has deceived you,
You were so blind,
Join Venom's legions,
Cause we're going wild."

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread turned out fairly entertaining, but I had to read it in short bursts to maintain sanity. Sheezus.

I do consider Venom to have the "black metal spirit". But I personally don't give a fuck if it makes people feel warm and cuddly to pull some revisionist nonsense. Just don't be surprised when others tell you you're being ridiculous.

Fuck all that though. If you can't get into Welcome to Hell or Black Metal you're probably an enemy of rock and roll.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you not like the first three Venom albums and call yourself a metal fan?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NK7 wrote:
nileppez wrote:

Nothing they recorded is black metal

Black metal is by definition heavy metal music with satanic lyrics/aesthetics so Venom is certainly black metal. Now please get the fuck out of my scene


Hm, not really, punk is the element that gave certain metal bands the edge they needed to sound extreme. Venom? Possessed? early Mayhem? They all drew influence from punk, so in a way you can say Venom did differ from all the other satanic-themed heavy metal bands of those days. And I don't belong to your scene.
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Corvus Metus



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Welcome to Hell" was my first non-Metallica, non-Sabbath metal album and pretty much what I considered to be "black metal" for a long time - to the point where I dismissed anything after the first-wave for not being "true" black metal for the a long time. So, at least to me... Venom is black fucking metal.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bathory. That "in scandinavia" answer I think is misleading, because yes I believe bathory to be the fist of the "established" style of black metal, but that option could also be for those fucking poser faggots who think black metal started in norwway.

And on a second note... label "black metal" in the 80's was used a lot differently then today, but I have to admit if it were used in the same way now as it was then, it would certainly confuse the fuck out of everything!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone said not everything follows a linear, progressive pattern.

The best thing about Venom was that Bathory & Hellhammer were able to take certain things from them such as the evil aesthetic and make it better.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venom = Venom originators of black metal.
The name.
The imagery.
The attitude.

Norway and Sweden took what they started and ran with it...but Venom started it.

How can anyone say otherwise????
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saltrubbed Eyes wrote:

The best thing about Venom was that Bathory & Hellhammer were able to take certain things from them such as the evil aesthetic and make it better.


Yes.


I've never liked Venom much; they're not a pre-requisite for black metal appreciation. Sure, they were a big influence on formative bands I do enjoy, such as Bathory - but that doesn't mean I should like Venom's music any more than I should like whatever bands influenced Venom, or whoever influenced those bands, and so on...

In these discussions about black metal's early days, why do so few people mention Samael? In the late 80s, it was Mayhem, Bathory AND Samael who I felt really stood out for doing something different from all the thrash/grind/death metal being churned out at the time.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If only Euronymous would have named his music differently, this thread would not have been started.
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