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Has collecting music lost its lustre for you?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only buy what I feel I need and utilise a high quality control. What with most modern music being a tired rehash of the past, I don't spend a great deal of money these days. As for collecting records (as opposed to buying, consuming and enjoying them)/ amassing multiple copies of the same record/ owning "complete" collections (t shirts, flags, dvds) of a band's output, it's a mindset I can't comprehend or wish to engage in. Less is definitely more. Fuck the consumer disease. It's still fucking great to receive a killer release and worship it, however.

I still enjoy record shopping as and when possible, although I rarely see anything I'm interested in. I'm lucky enough to have a 2nd hand record shop locally that I bought a shit load of classics from in the late 90's/ early 2000's for next to nothing. Internet has fucked up the opportunity for record buying in person but I'd sooner have the option to buy a wider variety of releases than have to rely on whatever a store ordered in.

Tapes? All I remember is them getting unwound in my pocket, the sound fluctuating (as well as the volume) and the tape getting twisted in the cassette and playing backwards as well as the machines chewing the fucking things up. Fuck 'em!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morbid Obesity wrote:
In the cd scores thread alone there are people buying 100+ cds a month. How can they possibly listen to all that enough to really appreciate it? The answer is they can't but they just like having a lot of cds sitting on the shelves. It's sad.


Or: it's an identity for them.

"What do YOU do to justify your life outside of the pointless job you have, that's just like mine? I'm a foodie."

"I'm a peace corps volunteer."

"I'm an Obama activist."

"I'm an interpretive dancer."

"I'm a record collector!"

It's a way of saying that your life means something, even though it doesn't really.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still get a thrill when I get some killer new music, whether its from flipping through used record racks, or seeing a package waiting for me when I get home from work.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demoniarch wrote:
Yes.

Obsessive collecting sickness is a disease, a massive hoard of records is not an accomplishment of worth nor a worthy measure of status.

It's a damned plague.


There's an interesting book called "Vinyl Junkies" that I've read that discusses the psychological aspects of record collecting, and how it's actually been proven to be related to a serotonin deficiency.

http://www.amazon.com/Vinyl-Junkies-Adventures-Record-Collecting/dp/0312304277

I think you might be able to read most of the book online actuall, here's the chapter with the serotonin discussion:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BCwlO1pUlakC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=record+collecting+serotonin&source=bl&ots=mdk8vj4axJ&sig=O_mHlyMday1bR6CWsigncsUW02Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=raqfUKOJOoKs9AThyoHwDQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Collecting music has not lost it's lustre to me. I am just very picky in what I spend money on buying.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Has collecting music lost its lustre for you? Reply with quote

Saevus wrote:
spectre wrote:
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It is funny that I will some times get more excited over finding a couple of cheap used Judas Priest LPs than the band new super deluxe record I bought off of an online distro though.


This says it all for me; Newer metal or whatever you want to call it is all trends. It's pitiful.


That's not what I meant at all. My sentiment was just that it's often more exciting coming across some random find, even something fairly common, than just buying something offline from a distro. However that doesn't stop getting some die hard version of a new record or box set in the mail from being awesome.


I know, I was taking in a different direction.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BreedingtheSpawn wrote:
Collecting music has not lost it's lustre to me. I am just very picky in what I spend money on buying.


Same thing here! I'm obsessed by music and records, but I don't throw away my money on anything that comes by. It needs to be really really good.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only buy releases from bands/labels I like and will only pay a few Euros more than they are worth if said release is sold out. I don't give a shit about editions and presses, just as long as the music is worth the money spent. Of course due to modern collector mentality this just makes it a pain in the arse to get certain releases before they sell out completely and people start selling them for retarded prices, but if this happens I'll just get the CD version.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blodhemn9 wrote:
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I still get a thrill when I get some killer new music, whether its from flipping through used record racks, or seeing a package waiting for me when I get home from work.


It's a Chicago thing. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conservationist wrote:
Morbid Obesity wrote:
In the cd scores thread alone there are people buying 100+ cds a month. How can they possibly listen to all that enough to really appreciate it? The answer is they can't but they just like having a lot of cds sitting on the shelves. It's sad.


Or: it's an identity for them.

"What do YOU do to justify your life outside of the pointless job you have, that's just like mine? I'm a foodie."

"I'm a peace corps volunteer."

"I'm an Obama activist."

"I'm an interpretive dancer."

"I'm a record collector!"

It's a way of saying that your life means something, even though it doesn't really.


This is pretty presumptuous to think this. I pull in anywhere from 10-30 CD's a month (it's only recently I've had a trade going to where I pull in this amount of CD's in one month) and I always have time or make time to listen to my music. I'm not one to collect ornaments; I've been listening to this music (and music in general) for close to 35-years and it's always been a mainstay for me. I add to my library because I love the music and I can honestly say that 95% of my library is filled with music I will and do revisit.

Sure, there are jerkoffs out there (and here) that "collect" music as opposed to enjoying it, but assuming everyone who gets lucky and finds mass quantities of good music on the rare fortunate day is just poor reasoning. I don't "need" music to make my life meaningful - the music I have and covet casts a longer shadow is all.

On a related note, I searched from 1987 to 1997 for Venom's Japanese Assault on vinyl and had EVERY record store and mail order trying to find it for me since the late 80's to no avail. When the 'net first starting picking up steam I found it through a friend I met online who knew a guy who owned a Cleveland record store and had it on the wall for a pretty hefty price. Without asking, I sent the money and got the long-awaited addition. I was like a kid in a candy store when it arrived, and now, 15-years later, I think how ridiculously easy it was to find it with simple key strokes and sort of see now that it was...too easy. Very Happy I'm glad to own it, but the thrill of going to the stores and digging until your fingers hurt always held prominence for me.

But after ten years of searching like a loon, I'll take any help I can get. That's how I see music collecting in the modern electronic age.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrkKnight wrote:

On a related note, I searched from 1987 to 1997 for Venom's Japanese Assault on vinyl and had EVERY record store and mail order trying to find it for me since the late 80's to no avail. When the 'net first starting picking up steam I found it through a friend I met online who knew a guy who owned a Cleveland record store and had it on the wall for a pretty hefty price. Without asking, I sent the money and got the long-awaited addition. I was like a kid in a candy store when it arrived, and now, 15-years later, I think how ridiculously easy it was to find it with simple key strokes and sort of see now that it was...too easy. Very Happy I'm glad to own it, but the thrill of going to the stores and digging until your fingers hurt always held prominence for me.


A cool story about a great record! I bought my copy of this Venom gem in a store in the UK in the 80's, when I was probably like 14 or 15, and it was 15.99 British pounds (don't know how to make that sterling sign on here) which was a lot of money back then. I never even saw another copy for sale until the 90's when I started getting "metal lists" from dealers, but then you're right- once the internet came along it was readily available! But I still cherish that one I found in that UK record store, I think it was called Lizards, and I still have it to this day. Unfortunately, that release got booted too I think, though the boots are pretty easy to spot since they're on colored vinyl.

Speaking of the UK, not sure if anyone remembers Shades of London, but they were an ALL metal shop that used to advertise in Kerrang magazine in the 80's. I also had the chance to visit that shop while in London around that same time, and it was like a religious experience. Seeing ALL that metal vinyl and shit I had 'heard of' but never seen in person was overwhelming. This is a page/interview with the owner:

http://www.thrashhits.com/2008/07/in-memoriam-of-shades/

And here's another guy's post about it, and I think I might even still have one of those Shades shopping bags stashed away somewhere!

http://everyrecordtellsastory.com/2012/04/09/shades_records/

Again, I'm reminising about 'old days' collecting, but as I said, I still have fun with it and continue hunting. Finding and scoring that private press RATT single from 1980 a few weeks ago online for $50 was as exciting for me as finding that VENOM "Japanese Assault" 20+ years ago, so the road of collecting goes on....

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still enjoy it a lot and i am happy to report that since my want list is super small these days i am patient enough to sift thru the bins and ebay without worries because i doubt many people even know about the records that interest me, aside from some old timers like myself and those fanatical greeks that basically know everything about private american heavy metal. i have been collecting for over 30 years so i can sit back and enjoy my lps.

the only "new" release i am interested in [and its old music anyway] is Northern Lights which of course is legendary.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The advent of the Internet certainly brought in many good things, one annoying aspect though is the obsessive "MUST BE MINT/MINT!!1!1" paranoid syndrome which affects most people into buying/trading stuff. Before 1996-97 orders and trades were done via snail mail/telephone exclusively and nobody gave two shits if his copy of Apocalyptic Raids had a minor tear on the cover or the occasional seam split as long as the lp played fine. Nowadays people will go nuts and open paypal disputes if they feel like the EX+++ you sold them is an EX++. Cunts who are such obnoxious pricks about the grading of records will of course never listen to the goddamn thing and only buy stuff to show off. Fuck that shit.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NK7 wrote:
The advent of the Internet certainly brought in many good things, one annoying aspect though is the obsessive "MUST BE MINT/MINT!!1!1" paranoid syndrome which affects most people into buying/trading stuff. Before 1996-97 orders and trades were done via snail mail/telephone exclusively and nobody gave two shits if his copy of Apocalyptic Raids had a minor tear on the cover or the occasional seam split as long as the lp played fine. Nowadays people will go nuts and open paypal disputes if they feel like the EX+++ you sold them is an EX++. Cunts who are such obnoxious pricks about the grading of records will of course never listen to the goddamn thing and only buy stuff to show off. Fuck that shit.


Ohhh YES!

Its going Insane with this Collector's Rating. Specially with Idiots who never want to play what they buy. One Idiot aksed me for real if my VG+/VG+ USED LP is still sealed.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with collecting thesedays is everyone thinks their VENOM records are worth €100 when they're really just worth about €5. If you look on discogs there's sellers there just completely off the mark. It makes the whole thing a little frustrating. I messaged a russian about getting 9 LPs from him, nothing rare or obscure, but his prices were retarded. I made a €200 offer plus postage and he acted like I'd just kicked him in the balls. Just because something is OLD doesn't mean it's worth anything. Some people forget that these records were pressed in their tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands in some cases. But still, people think €60 for Reign in Blood is perfectly normal. I love seeing one copy of a record on discogs for €20 and another copy of the same record for €300. Fucks sake.
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