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Kapalika



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Massacre - The second coming... opinions? Reply with quote

Hi there,

Hells Headbangers just released that disc with old material from the 90s, basically demo material for a second record - instead, that "Promise" disaster happened.

Anybody here already owns it? Read the layout would be rather boring/unimaginative...

Any opinions appreciated (guess I will have to get that anyway).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Massacre - The second coming... opinions? Reply with quote

Kapalika wrote:
Hi there,

Hells Headbangers just released that disc with old material from the 90s, basically demo material for a second record - instead, that "Promise" disaster happened.

Anybody here already owns it? Read the layout would be rather boring/unimaginative...

Any opinions appreciated (guess I will have to get that anyway).


I like it, but for me the Tyrants of death CD is more better, especially the layout/booklet looks fantastic, while the HHR's stuff seems very cheap...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got this recording from kam lee just after it was recorded , it was done with the whiplash drummer. This was recorded as a cd and not a demo, but got binned when bill andrews and terry butler rejoined.

The copy i have doesnt have guitar solos as they were not recorded at the time i got the tape , but the songs are not too bad , but its no FROM BEYOND
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

minge-eater wrote:
i got this recording from kam lee just after it was recorded , it was done with the whiplash drummer. This was recorded as a cd and not a demo, but got binned when bill andrews and terry butler rejoined.


That's not the story according to Kam Lee...

He said (I believe it's going to be in the liner notes, but it was posted on blabbermouth) that this tape was only recorded because Earache was interested in hearing what the 'new' Massacre at the time sounded like, as in it was never supposed to have been heard by the public. He said that Earache thought it was crap and insisted that the original lineup reunite and record the old demo songs.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodens Grav wrote:
minge-eater wrote:
i got this recording from kam lee just after it was recorded , it was done with the whiplash drummer. This was recorded as a cd and not a demo, but got binned when bill andrews and terry butler rejoined.


That's not the story according to Kam Lee...

He said (I believe it's going to be in the liner notes, but it was posted on blabbermouth) that this tape was only recorded because Earache was interested in hearing what the 'new' Massacre at the time sounded like, as in it was never supposed to have been heard by the public. He said that Earache thought it was crap and insisted that the original lineup reunite and record the old demo songs.


i still have the letters from kam somewhere and also the earache promo pics of the line up for the 2nd coming cd. The letters dont state that earache forced themto do anything, but it wouldnt suprise me as digby of earache can be an ass
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

got this during my tapetrading days in early 90es. Horrible stuff. Well, not horrible, as some tracks sound quiet good, but nothing compared toFrom Beyond or the demos.

Can't remember if my copy has the guitar solos on it.

Massacre also had an unreleased EP from '87, but the sound on my tapetrading-copy is beyond shit. Unknown tracks though.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterott wrote:


Massacre also had an unreleased EP from '87, but the sound on my tapetrading-copy is beyond shit. Unknown tracks though.


Interesting. Do you have the tracklist for it ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This EP was supposed to come out on David Vincent`s label Goreque records in 1986, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bestial Devastator wrote:
peterott wrote:


Massacre also had an unreleased EP from '87, but the sound on my tapetrading-copy is beyond shit. Unknown tracks though.


Interesting. Do you have the tracklist for it ?


It did take some time to find this tape in my shelves. And I admit: Me stupid.

Chamber Of ages/Clangor Of War/From Beyond/Symbolic Immortality//

=> might be the Chamber Of ages demo, which was in a list as Adv.unrel.EP '87 when I got the copy. Can't say more. Maybe it is the demo, maybe not. the sound quality of the tape is horrible.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just figured I'd post what was on blabbermouth regarding this album:

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MASSACRE/DENIAL FIEND "vokillist" Kam Lee has issued the following update:

"I was going to write a huge explaination about how this release [MASSACRE's 'The Second Coming'] came into being... of how it got released, and of all the fuck ups and shit it has caused getting released. But you know what I only need to explain one thing... that it was passed off to me, and I fumbled the ball. I didn't run the touchdown... I let it slip in and out of my finger tips, until someone else decided to pick it up and carry it in over the goal line. And even though the facts have been twisted and re-arranged to make the play seem better then it really was... the simple truth is the play was made, and now this release is out!

"The only fact that I need to correct is this one: this was never to be MASSACRE's second album, as a matter of fact it was a demo recorded before the album 'From Beyond'... but I'll let this letter below better explain it...

"The story of 'The Second Coming' by Kam Lee:

"This line up of MASSACRE was during the years of 1989 - 1990, and this 'demo' was recorded before the 'From Beyond' album, not after... and it was never intended to be MASSACRE's second album as listed. During this period MASSACRE bassist Terry Butler and drummer Bill Andrews were still playing in DEATH, and Rick was already kicked out of DEATH at this time.

"MASSACRE had split up in 1987... when members Rick Rozz, Terry Butler, and Bill Andrews joined with Chuck Schuldiner in DEATH for the 'Leprosy' album. However, Rick was later again kicked out of DEATH in 1989, and after that I had approached Rick about reforming MASSACRE in late '89... and then we began formalizing the reformation.

"The truth was at that time Rick was hanging out with a bassist who was playing in THE GENATORTURERS named Butch Gonzalas. And so Rick suggested that Butch come over to join MASSACRE as bassist. Yet we still needed a drummer, and during that time Rick was friends with Joey Cangelosi of the thrash band WHIPLASH from N.Y.

"Rick somehow convinced Joey to relocate down to Florida from N.Y. to join with MASSACRE, and that is how MASSACRE would be borne once more for its SECOND COMING!

"So during the later half of 1989 and the first half of 1990, the MASSACRE lineup was: myself, Rick Rozz (guitars), Butch Gonzalas (bass), Joe Cangelosi (drums).

"Now, during this time period MASSACRE was already in contact with Earache Records, and the record company heads wanted to hear the "new" MASSACRE.

"Rick and Butch had already started writting material together prior, and decided to incorporate these songs they had into 'new' MASSACRE material.

"So when Joey and I entered the picture, we just needed to ad our parts.

"Joey was now living with Rick at the time in a house financed by the label, so it was rather fast and easy for them to get the material down.

"Within a matter of weeks they had six songs down musically, and I just needed to ad lyrics.

"Although when I came into the picture, I was not at all too pleased with the direction the music had taken.

"Rick was already trying to change the direction and style of MASSACRE's 'death metal' roots, and was incorporating many aspects of power thrash like PANTERA and even funk like RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS into the material. However, after much deliberation and discusion, I relented and gave in, and began writing lyrics.

"Also, I would like to add that Joey's drumming on these songs are powerful aggressive and just kick ass! I really feel if it wasn't for his style of 'power-thrash' drumming, that many of these songs may have not been as strong as they ended up being.

"So now it was time to go into a studio and record these songs.

"Now I remember it was summer in Florida, and it was hot. And for some reason every summer I always get sick!

"The one thing I remember about going in to record this demo, was just how fucking sick with the flue I was. I was dripping snot out my nose, my throat was raw and numb, my body ached from head to toe, my skull was pounding and my ass was pissing out diarrhea. And yet despite all that, I still went in the studio and gave it my all!

"My voice was so fucked... yet I tried to be as brutal as my sore-infected vocal cords would allow! A major part of the vocals I mostly spoke through... with an occasional death growl thrown in, but mostly I struggled with the vocals. Yet I remebered that this was only meant to be a studio demo not to be released to the public, but rather a demo for the record company only, just so they could hear what the material would sound like. So I felt I didn't have to be signing my usual death growl through out the whole songs.

"I remember during parts in the tracks when I wasn't signing, I was blowing my nose in tissues, and in between tracks I was running back and forth to the toilet!!!

"The entire demo was recorded live in the studio... no vocal overdubs... no stopping during the songs, just run right through them... from the top 'till the end. Then I would take five go blow brown fluid outta my ass, and right back into the studio to do the next track!

"OK so what is now represented on this release is that very same demo, not an full length album, not an EP, not something that was recorded for Goreque Records, but a demo of six tracks recorded 'live' in the studio for only the record company to hear the material. This is it, the mystery recording so many fans have talked about, and so many others never knew existed. Recorded almost 20 years ago in the summer of 1990.

"Shortly after recording 'The Second Coming' demo though, the record company decided that they did not like this direction, and suggested we get the original lineup back together and record the original material from the original demos. Seeing as that Terry and Bill were no longer in DEATH after the failed 'Spiritial Healing' tour over in Europe, it would be rather easy to get them back in the MASSACRE lineup.

"Yet it would be a few weeks inbetween before I would learn what was going on.... suddenly I was cut off from everything. No rehearsals, no phone calls, nothing. After a few weeks of hearing nothing and thinking that once more MASSACRE was finished, Rick finally contacted me and told me that he split with Butch and Joey, and Terry and Bill would be reunited with MASSACRE. So then finally, Rick and myself, along with Terry and Billy quickly entered into the studio to record the original material from 1985-1987 on the now historical cult classic 1991 album known as 'From Beyond'.

"Personal note [from Kam]: I never really wanted to ever release this recording. I feel it's a weak misrepresentation of MASSACRE, and an awful performance by me. Yet, because of circumstances that got way beyond my control and the threat that this would eventually get released in some kind of format. I felt an explaination was needed. It has been released... and so I wanted to add these liner notes to explain it all."
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.
I remember Lee mentioning those (at that time still unreleased) recording also in Blabbermouth soething like two years ago.

Guess that explains the "funky basslines" talked about in the review on vftd.
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