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LEVIATHAN - lp reissues....
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lunar stele
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sometimes it really shocks me how compassionate and understanding modern metal fans can be
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lunar stele wrote:
sometimes it really shocks me how compassionate and understanding modern metal fans can be


I don't think contracts and rights/ownership is ever an issue of compassion. There's a reason it's called the music industry.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue is the difference between how things should be and how things are. In a perfect world, sure, these shouldn't be released without Wrest's input. But, in the world we live in, that's not how it goes. Moribund sold the rights to Back on Black, and now they're making reissues. They're not bootlegs in any way, shape, or form. Unfortunately, Wrest needs to accept that.

That being said, I have no interest in buying Back on Black vinyl.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AngleOffDeeth wrote:
Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675


ouch

especially the email from wrest to plastichead
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AngleOffDeeth wrote:
Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675

Nothing more cold, grim and evil than IP copyright law and label contracts Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phlegma wrote:
AngleOffDeeth wrote:
Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675


ouch

especially the email from wrest to plastichead

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is when theres Reissues, there is drama!? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phlegma wrote:
AngleOffDeeth wrote:
Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675


ouch

especially the email from wrest to plastichead


Holy shit.
So the records will come out on Moribund now, the label that still owns them and always has. Fuck, maybe Odin and Jef can work together? Iím probably dreaming there.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooklyn Bastard 666 wrote:
Phlegma wrote:
AngleOffDeeth wrote:
Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675


ouch

especially the email from wrest to plastichead


Holy shit.
So the records will come out on Moribund now, the label that still owns them and always has. Fuck, maybe Odin and Jef can work together? Iím probably dreaming there.


this

would throw my funeral industries stuff out within a second -,-
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearsbearsbears wrote:
AngleOffDeeth wrote:
Moribund official statement:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=988109857980580&id=216272318497675

Nothing more cold, grim and evil than IP copyright law and label contracts Laughing

It's the fucking Gorgoroth lawsuit all over again!

Dragging his wife and kid into it was fucking weak. If you want to talk business, talk business. Talking about needing to feed your wife and kid makes you sound like a beggar. I expected better from him. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jef really shot himself in the foot. He could've had massive exposure with Back on Black distribution (even if the LP's weren't up to his standards, liner notes, etc). Instead, his accusations of bootlegging caused BOB to back out, now Moribund (who he clearly is incredibly bitter toward) are taking the reigns and will reap all the profit.

If he'd just stayed quiet, despite not happy about the BOB deal, it would've done a lot more in terms of growing his fanbase, thus allowing him to make more money on future albums that he presses himself.

Anyway, this is all fascinating to me. Jef signed a deal he grew to regret, it happens, but you can't blame Moribund for that. BOB wanted to press the Leviathan records the way they wanted to, and Jeff sabotaged it, rightfully pissing off (and embarrassing) Moribund.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck.

I literally never see Moribund records at my record shop. I see BOB ones all the time, tons of them. Huge mistake on Jef's part imo.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious why this stink wasn't raised with the FI pressings that happened just a couple years back?
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explains why PHD have just refunded my entire order then
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jef definitely sounds like he ate some sour grapes in his email.
But I'd love to know how much in Royalty $$ Moribund has paid him for those 5 albums as they claim they still do, particularly how much of the 2013 licensing vinyl to FI he got. I can't imagine Jef being this upset if he was actually receiving royalties, even if they were less that what he felt he was due.
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